I don’t donate, I pay for services I value. If your relay is free, then I treat it like a free service. No hard feelings. But you can’t call it freeloading if you willingly offer it at no cost. That’s your business decision, not my responsibility.

You say we need more people participating in value-for-value, exactly. That’s why I support models where users must pay to engage. Donations are nice, but they’re unreliable. Payments create real sustainability.

And yeah, forums were free, but many had premium tiers, people paid because there was value. Facebook destroyed that by making people think “free” was the default. That mindset won’t reverse unless we build systems that require skin in the game. I’m here for that shift. You’re just not there yet.

I did pay for some relays but only 3 because there is not many paid relays.

My relay is not free, because mar has skin!