Nostr Web Client

Thanks for the thoughtful breakdown, I think the isolated/autonomous Frost-shard generating device is a pretty interesting idea.

But coming back to relays, as far as I understand NIP-29 relays themselves have keypairs and can generate administrative events (I see now that Flotilla came to NIP 29 only later on so maybe not the best example for NIP 29, but regardless)

I also understand that the relay admin can also swap the relay's keys out. The relay would then need to update the group metadata to reflect the new public key, the update would then need to be disseminated, etc. So not the the relay URL is ultimately where the validity lies at the end of day, just as for a cashu mint.

At least that's how I *think* I understand it NIP 29 relays.

Could not this setup be tweaked to allow for relays with keypairs and that can publish actual notes in addition to administrative events? And if so, could these relays also not be surfaced by the likes of Jumble, once the parsing logic is there (check the metadata for the public key, etc.) Another NIP, but taking some inspiration from NIP 29.

That's the sort of companies-as-relays concept I'm squinting at.

Or am I missing something important here?

Vitor Pamplona 10mo ago

Relays can have keys. But those keys are not the company itself. They just manage things on the relay (groups and so on). They don't need to be the same keys as the corporate keys. In fact, I think you want them to be different to give them to different people in the organization.

I much rather see things separately. Every time we merged different concepts in one (like relays and service keys) we got a worse, more centralized solution.

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Garbage nsec 10mo ago

> But those keys are not the company itself.

My thinking is what if those relay keys in fact were the company itself? They're easily managed, as long as the company retains control over the relay URL. There's no scary permanence. They potentially allow the relay itself to be personified to a degree, so to post, and take part in discussions, etc. , in standard fashion. So again more like a Facebook page versus a Facebook profile—very-different-under-the-hood and purposefully so.

It's a merged concept, yes, and centralised, yes—but companies are centralisaed, and this is a way to for to allow centralised entities to take part in Nostr in a way that doesn't require a crash courses in bleeding-edge shard and bunker based key management.

Though again maybe the whole nsec route with the right flows and hardware could be less terrifying for un-savvy companies that I suspect it is, you've put me on to some stuff to mull over there.