I think the day is coming where services like #Nostr, ProtonMail, and Signal will be illegal. If encryption becomes illegal will you still try to use it? Will you close your accounts? What will society be like with almost zero privacy?

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I’ll move somewhere else.

Not so easy to leave your country without the future digital ID. Your social credit score is looking low. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜…

True

I will smuggle you into Canada. πŸ˜…πŸ˜‚

It might be worse here though.

At least there will be plenty of maple syrup 🍁 πŸ₯ž

Bitcoiners don't ask for permission. Governments can try and ban it any way they want πŸ–•

True. Banning never works anyways. But if ISPs are blocking access and VPNs are pulled from availability how would you use these services anyway?

Can they do that if we use Tor?

Would make it harder for sure. They can probably stop new people from downloading Tor. If you already have it it might still work. Might not be able to update it though. I wonder.πŸ€”

I'm an optimist. I believe Bitcoin has friends in strange places.

The mother WEFers already lost. Governments will go bankrupt.

That is πŸ’― truth my friend!

Protonmail is CIA anyways.

Signal too I think. πŸ˜…

Thoughts on Tutanota or Skiff?

No thoughts, haven't checked em out, but for messaging I'm switching to Session. Private keys, seed phrase, and encryption.

Problem is you have to get every else to do it too. Same with a privacy phone. I have one and it's a brick bc no one else does

Thats right. I end up not chatting with a lot of people who wont switch to something more secure.

I thought Session was compromised because its on Austrailian soil.

Try simplex.chat

It is. Hopefull not soon, but that's the trend.

People (myself included) though Signal was awesome until we realized that they don't care about removing PII (phone numbers), decentralization, or pretty much anything their users have been asking for.

Now it's #nostr, #Matrix, #pgpmail, #Tor, and other decentralized solutions for me.

I haven't gone as far to close my account with #SignalApp, but my usage has steadily been dropping since they dropped SMS support. Plus now my SMS messages are no longer encrypted at rest (beyond the standard FDE).

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I need to learn pgpmail. I tried Matrix but there was no way to sign up without email it seemed. I like some of these decentralized options but not if they need kyc email.

PGP can be a real rabbithole if you get into the gory details of what subkeys are, and what exponent you should use and so forth.

Fortunately Thunderbird has PGP support built now ehich makes practical usage very easy after the initial setup. If you are public enemy #1, then you'll want to go down the rabbithole and learn about all the ins and outs of PGP. Honestly though, the main risk is that someone you talk to is compromised/a snitch/turncoat/enemy of some sort.

As for Matrix, some Matrix servers require an email to register, some ofvthose also won't allow disposable email addresses (mailinator, sharklasers, etc.). This is because of spammers. I found a small community of hackers who run and instance and just asked them to create an account for me. If you are on Mastodon check out the "tildeverse". Those folks are likely to help you out. Just don't be an asshole and ruin it for everyone.

Some good advice. Thanks. Funny enough, Mastodon was another I wasnt able to create an account without an email. I should try temp email.

What is tildeverse?

There's a write up of what it is at https://tildeverse.org/

There is ZERO privacy on nostrπŸ˜€