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I have done some research into 'left #libertarianism' or 'anarcho-communism' in the recent weeks. Watched some pods and debates and had some conversations with nostr:nprofile1qqs0he0gpmydkhzrncjc94ten5j79l5tjk93ah6etgtn4cwg4t6xqacpz3mhxw309ucnydewxqhrqt338g6rsd3e9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0enhhdw on #Nostr (thank you for that).

I never researched it, because it sounded like a massive contradiction. However, I was genuinely interested and willing to change my view if I found good arguments. If I wasn't open minded, I would have never found the #Bitcoin and #Anarcho-Capitalist rabbit hole. They look unworkable on the surface too.

What I failed to find is a decentralised mechanism that manages society and makes it work. Society is a complex system, so managing it by central planning or 'because it would be more fair' won't work. If the incentives aren't allighned with the system, it will corrupt, be ineffective or not work at all.

Decentralised mechanisms are language, sound money, capitalism, ect. They let people interact without any central authority, and are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more efficient and scalable than any central planner.

The reason that I am such a believer in Anarcho-Capitalism, is because it's build on a decentralised mechanism, capitalism. As you can see in the short video below, this mechanism is able to manage the action of thousands of humans, without the need for any central planning, creating something that no team led by a central planner could ever make.

For left libertarianism I really don't see any mechanism like that, which makes me conclude that libertarian socialism is pretty much like statist socialism: Their intentions are good, but they don't understand economics and incentives.

And the road to hell is paved by good intentions.......

Did I miss something? Shill me the mechanism that makes it work. I am really happy to be proven wrong and change my mind.

https://youtu.be/67tHtpac5ws

I believe the focus should be more on the political system rather than the economic system. The state itself and how it functions.

The best political system I have seen in practice is what they had in Libya prior to the NATO invasion.

Direct democracy.

No politicians, no political parties.

Public ownership of natural resources.

They, the Libyan people, under Gaddafi's guidance lifted themselves out of poverty and became prosperous, living lives we in the west could only dream of.

Want to be a doctor? Be a doctor, the people own the university, the fee is the value you add back to society with your work.

Want to be a farmer? Here is some land and seeds, here is some livestock, go and be a farmer.

You just got married? Here is a home ror you to raise your children.

Where does all the money to pay for it come from? Public ownership of natural resources, Libya had oil. Every citizen was treated like a shareholder.

How did Libya make it work?

A small population with a homogeneous society with shared values definitely made it easier. 5 million people is not a large population.

How could we make it work in larger countries? I believe blockchain might be able to facilitate it.

Instead of voting for politicians to make decisions on our behalf, we can collectively make those decisions ourselves.

That's what direct democracy is.

And I believe with Bitcoin as our money, and direct democracy as our political system, that a better economic system will naturally evolve to suit society.

Whatever happens, neo liberal capitalism will die, its the least sustainable economic system the world has ever seen, money based on debt. It will kill itself.

Whether we regress to an older capitalist system or progress into a new economic system time will tell.

We may actually need to regress back to pre 1971 capitalism before we can progress towards socialism or whatever the future holds.

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Thanks for your answer! I would certainly rather live in a direct democracy than in liberal democracy, and what they did to Libya is really a shame. Switzerland is another example where its clearly better than in the surrounding countries.

However, I think these countries are just the cleanest shirts in the laundry basket. The economic system decides whether a political system will work, because thats where the incentives come from. That's why my main focus is there.

Direct democracy still goes against incentives (collective ownership mutes price systems) and is still fundamentally immoral (coercive). Because the incentives aren't alligned, it will be corrupted over time and I would say that's exactly what we see in Switzerland.

-They went off the gold standard later, but they went off.

-They adopted clownworld authoritarianism later, but eventually they did

-They even gave up their neutrality in the Ukraine war, after being neutral forever.

I think as long as you have political hierarchy of power, which every statist political system has, psychopats will be incentivised to climb to the top.

In the absence of systemic coercion (anarcho-capitalism) the only way to the top of the hierarchy is excelence. The incentives are opposite of statism, it brings the best people to the top.

#politics #libertarianism

Alligned incentives in a social / societal / political system is not 'a nice to have', it's a requirement to decide whether a system is viable in the first place.

Humans act, they act to optimise for their personal value rankings (make choices), incentives are the best paths to optimise the value they expect to get and economics is the study of this phenomenon.

I would say incentives in a social system are like gravity in the physical realm. If your system requires items to 'fall up', its not going to work.

Like the item will fall down and screw up your system, humans will act differently than the system requires, and it will fail.

Conclusion: If you want to judge a political system, look at the #economics / incentives first, and ONLY look further if it passes this test.

#austrianEconomics #Politics

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