What does Hamas really say? Don't listen to what Israel says Hamas says. Get your information first hand. [you don't have to believe it]
I've heard many wild claims about what Hamas says. This video is from Hamas themselves (don't worry, no gore, just a statement read at a podium).
https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1712738101108384185
If that gets censored let me know so I can update
You forgot to quote the part where the Hamas charter calls for the obliteration of Israel (and the Palestinian Authority) and the institution of an Islamic State in its stead.
It's also a well known fact that Hamas says one thing in English, and another one in Arabic. Quote and translate their Arabic communiqués instead of this silly bunch of half-asses lies and propaganda.
First of all, strange of me to forget to say something competely off topic from what I was saying. I'll try to remember to say everything that is off topic next time.
And second, I also call for the end to the State of Israel. Zionism is a failed experiment. But rather than Palestine (an Islamic State) they should replace it with a secular state that doesn't practice pseudo-religio-racial Apartheid. In particular, I support the view of Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro.
It's not off topic. You're linking a propaganda piece that is basically saying "Israel made me do it". Let's talk about why Israel is acting how it does then. The Hamas' charter is thus relevant and on topic.
The reality of the whole region is that wherever muslims are in charge, non Muslims are fucked. So go somewhere else to peddle your fantasies.
And FYI I take the existence of Israel as a moral failure of Europe, especially Russia. European Jews should have never had to leave. Not to the US, not to Israel.
With all due respect, this is the second or third note I read on this topic by you where basically you regurgitate mainstream narratives…
I have my own views. If they coincide in surface with some interested mainstream views, I can't do anything about it. Many bitcoin maxis here have identical views to some of the most vile institutions like the SEC about certain topics. Are they working for the same interests then?
That is not what I am implying. I am trying to point out that any unfiltered narrative is fabricated and that if you find yourself as an ultras in any side of the barricade you have been possessed by it and you’ve stopped being a rational subject.
I posted what they say because pro-Israel people were saying what they were saying that Hamas wants to X (shudder the thought!) and Hamas wants to Y (tremble in fear and support us!) and Hamas says so themselves and "when a person tells you who they are, believe them."
So being a skeptic, I checked. Is Hamas saying what pro-Israel people say they are saying. No, they aren't.
The topic was not about the content of what Hamas said, if it is true, why Israel is doing what Israel is doing. It's fine to change the subject, but I point this out because you lead off with "you forgot to ..." which is disingenuous as I didn't forget a damn thing.
"Israel made me do it" is not at all a good summary. At this point, I don't think I can talk with you any longer because your brain seems to be filled with worms. Please take no offense, I just desire to have more intelligent conversations than this.
Look, I'm just not going to waste time reading your rationalizations.
You're rushing to defend Hamas, just as they raped, abused, tortured, and murdered and kidnapped several hundred unarmed civilians, intentionally, as an act of terror. That's what you're defending.
The conversation stops there. No further arguments or reasons are necessary when you do that.
Hmm you won't believe what I DayZ neither do I, is that I went to an Arabic country and some people told me 5ha4 even ir their politicians use religion to opress them, deep in their hearts they love the feeling of being near God.
So I think it's natural for them to have a government which at least build mosques. It's difficult to grasp from outside, but when I'm there I really feel it fits their heart well.
Od course I didn't do extended research, but someone Arabic might elaborate on this.
