What does Hamas really say? Don't listen to what Israel says Hamas says. Get your information first hand. [you don't have to believe it]
I've heard many wild claims about what Hamas says. This video is from Hamas themselves (don't worry, no gore, just a statement read at a podium).
https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1712738101108384185
If that gets censored let me know so I can update
Who the fuck cares what they say, look at what they do.
Hamas have demonstrated through their actions that they are subhuman death-cultists. They are roaches and the world will be better without them.
We are researching this topic, we want to make our our conclusions.
Your point is that we should differentiate whqt they say from that they do.
Thanks for your input, we will work on that
My point is what they do matters more than what they say. What they say is irrelevant. If I murder your family while I profess my desire for peace, my words mean nothing.
Israel murders thousands of Palestinians and kick them our of their property via IDF an US taxpayer money and them claim to be a democracy and refuse to acknowledge it's apertheid. They Claim to be the most moral army of the world.
Yes, fuck words!!
Are they supposed to let the Palestinians rape, torture and murder them out of existence?
Read Exodus and Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. 4 000 years ago Israeli tribe came and wipe out the whole Caanites and other people.
All that they have been built was built upon bloodshed.
4000 years ago there wasn't even #Islam or #Christianity, but there were Israeli already doing mass massacres
No, Israel has to fight back when attacked. I support Israel defending itself.
But fighting back by cutting off their water supply? I understand cutting off fuel. I even understand stopping aid temporarily (due to weapons smuggling). But cutting off their water when half of them are kids and then they drink ocean water and get sick... that is not acceptable. Nor is bombing mostly civilian areas to kill a few Hamas members. They need to wait for a clear shot, or storm the place and take out the terrorists without killing the civilians.
On a totally different topic, with IDF assistance Israelis have been slowly taking Palestinian land in the West Bank. Or, maybe that is not completely unrelated.
I agree, cutting off the water is too extreme. The bombing bit is debatable, Hamas deliberately surrounds themselves with civilians. They are responsible for those deaths more than the Israelis are. It's a bit like challenging another dude to a fight and then hiding behind your girlfriend or a child when he starts throwing punches at you.
Hamas aren't a group of isolated terrorists. They are the government of Gaza. The vast majority of people in Gaza support their actions. It's not as clear cut between civilians and the baddies.
Hamas was voted in in 2006 or something like that. Only 22% of people alive now (I think) were part of that vote, so they should probably have another one. They may have changed their minds. At the time of the original vote, there is evidence Israeli leaders wanted Hamas to win so they could treat them militarily instead of needing to continue the peace process, and starved Fatah of campaign funds... but maybe that's just what some idiot said. Surely many of them still support violence.
In any case, Israel has legitimate security concerns. But so does Gaza. So IMHO Israel should not be the one enforcing the peace, a third party should step in and do it. And I know the U.N. is a dumpster fire, but it is all the world has, even Putin still works with it because there is no alternative. So maybe a U.N. peacekeeping force could be utilized. Israel would not agree, so it would have to be forced upon them.
I support Israel's right to exist, but only if they support Palestine's right to exist. They've had a long time to work that out, and when pressed they just point to the one part of the negotiations where Arafat rejected a bad deal, as though that was the end of all possible negotiations. At some point someone has to call it full-time on this delaying and revoke recognition of Israel as a state. Yes, that's hardball, but they don't respond to anything other.
do you know that peacekeepers don't stop whoever wants to fight?
they just separate the parties and watch to avoid unintentional scalation, accidents, etc.
At most, they avoid no-warning attacks and "the other side started shooting" blame wars because the parties are supposed to ask them to leave before attacking.
Before the 1967 war, Egypt asked the peacekepers to leave, and they left.
Last week, peacekeepers on Lebanon-Israel border stopped patrols and returned to their bases on their own volition - they are not going to work if one of the parties want to start shooting.
last month, russian peacekeepers did not fight Azerbaijan. Nagorno-Karabakh is gone for Armenia.
why would soldiers from 3rd countries accept to die?
if you mean having UN soldiers controlling Gaza, that is not peacekeeping, that is a territorial mandate, which is costlier and riskier. Who wants to run a neo-colony, have their own soldiers hunt terrorists, besides being blamed by every adminstrative or security trouble? And who is going to convince Hamas to leave?
I understand the curring of water/energy. Israel declared war.
Sending freebies to enemy territory in war is... in principle... treason. I would not do it before lawyering up strongly.
but, exchanging something for something, like energy for hostages... that is negociation.
Also, if they really want to invade soon, water and energy would help the enemy to prepare himself.
Anyway, it appears they returned water to south gaza - which they said would not be invaded
This guy is not honest, nor does he know the history - or worse he intentionally skews it to fit his narrative.
Stop giving him attention.
You forgot to quote the part where the Hamas charter calls for the obliteration of Israel (and the Palestinian Authority) and the institution of an Islamic State in its stead.
It's also a well known fact that Hamas says one thing in English, and another one in Arabic. Quote and translate their Arabic communiqués instead of this silly bunch of half-asses lies and propaganda.
First of all, strange of me to forget to say something competely off topic from what I was saying. I'll try to remember to say everything that is off topic next time.
And second, I also call for the end to the State of Israel. Zionism is a failed experiment. But rather than Palestine (an Islamic State) they should replace it with a secular state that doesn't practice pseudo-religio-racial Apartheid. In particular, I support the view of Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro.
It's not off topic. You're linking a propaganda piece that is basically saying "Israel made me do it". Let's talk about why Israel is acting how it does then. The Hamas' charter is thus relevant and on topic.
The reality of the whole region is that wherever muslims are in charge, non Muslims are fucked. So go somewhere else to peddle your fantasies.
And FYI I take the existence of Israel as a moral failure of Europe, especially Russia. European Jews should have never had to leave. Not to the US, not to Israel.
With all due respect, this is the second or third note I read on this topic by you where basically you regurgitate mainstream narratives…
I have my own views. If they coincide in surface with some interested mainstream views, I can't do anything about it. Many bitcoin maxis here have identical views to some of the most vile institutions like the SEC about certain topics. Are they working for the same interests then?
That is not what I am implying. I am trying to point out that any unfiltered narrative is fabricated and that if you find yourself as an ultras in any side of the barricade you have been possessed by it and you’ve stopped being a rational subject.
I posted what they say because pro-Israel people were saying what they were saying that Hamas wants to X (shudder the thought!) and Hamas wants to Y (tremble in fear and support us!) and Hamas says so themselves and "when a person tells you who they are, believe them."
So being a skeptic, I checked. Is Hamas saying what pro-Israel people say they are saying. No, they aren't.
The topic was not about the content of what Hamas said, if it is true, why Israel is doing what Israel is doing. It's fine to change the subject, but I point this out because you lead off with "you forgot to ..." which is disingenuous as I didn't forget a damn thing.
"Israel made me do it" is not at all a good summary. At this point, I don't think I can talk with you any longer because your brain seems to be filled with worms. Please take no offense, I just desire to have more intelligent conversations than this.
Look, I'm just not going to waste time reading your rationalizations.
You're rushing to defend Hamas, just as they raped, abused, tortured, and murdered and kidnapped several hundred unarmed civilians, intentionally, as an act of terror. That's what you're defending.
The conversation stops there. No further arguments or reasons are necessary when you do that.
Hmm you won't believe what I DayZ neither do I, is that I went to an Arabic country and some people told me 5ha4 even ir their politicians use religion to opress them, deep in their hearts they love the feeling of being near God.
So I think it's natural for them to have a government which at least build mosques. It's difficult to grasp from outside, but when I'm there I really feel it fits their heart well.
Od course I didn't do extended research, but someone Arabic might elaborate on this.
Dog goes woof
Cat goes meow
Bird goes tweet
And mouse goes squeek
Cow goes moo
Frog goes croak
And the elephant goes toot
Ducks say quack and fish goes blub
And the seal goes ow ow ow
But there's one sound that no one knows...
nostr:npub1acg6thl5psv62405rljzkj8spesceyfz2c32udakc2ak0dmvfeyse9p35c
If you want to read an understandable Version of #Quran this here helped me a lot. It's written by an US Army Christian Major who has many #Muslim Friends. It helped me to stop getting paranoid about it.
If you need context (and you will need itz as Quran is just God's part of the dialogue between him and Muhammad, and the context of the dialogues is not in Koran) for the book this here is great:
https://library.lol/main/D4853818AFCC05C7FEF31266654543FD
If you want a history of the book and it's effects, written by an American Muslim woman, this is nice:
https://library.lol/main/D4853818AFCC05C7FEF31266654543FD
#islam #quran #koran #israel #palestine
