Who the fuck cares what they say, look at what they do.
Hamas have demonstrated through their actions that they are subhuman death-cultists. They are roaches and the world will be better without them.
What does Hamas really say? Don't listen to what Israel says Hamas says. Get your information first hand. [you don't have to believe it]
I've heard many wild claims about what Hamas says. This video is from Hamas themselves (don't worry, no gore, just a statement read at a podium).
https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1712738101108384185
If that gets censored let me know so I can update
Discussion
We are researching this topic, we want to make our our conclusions.
Your point is that we should differentiate whqt they say from that they do.
Thanks for your input, we will work on that
My point is what they do matters more than what they say. What they say is irrelevant. If I murder your family while I profess my desire for peace, my words mean nothing.
Israel murders thousands of Palestinians and kick them our of their property via IDF an US taxpayer money and them claim to be a democracy and refuse to acknowledge it's apertheid. They Claim to be the most moral army of the world.
Yes, fuck words!!
Are they supposed to let the Palestinians rape, torture and murder them out of existence?
Read Exodus and Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. 4 000 years ago Israeli tribe came and wipe out the whole Caanites and other people.
All that they have been built was built upon bloodshed.
4000 years ago there wasn't even #Islam or #Christianity, but there were Israeli already doing mass massacres
No, Israel has to fight back when attacked. I support Israel defending itself.
But fighting back by cutting off their water supply? I understand cutting off fuel. I even understand stopping aid temporarily (due to weapons smuggling). But cutting off their water when half of them are kids and then they drink ocean water and get sick... that is not acceptable. Nor is bombing mostly civilian areas to kill a few Hamas members. They need to wait for a clear shot, or storm the place and take out the terrorists without killing the civilians.
On a totally different topic, with IDF assistance Israelis have been slowly taking Palestinian land in the West Bank. Or, maybe that is not completely unrelated.
I agree, cutting off the water is too extreme. The bombing bit is debatable, Hamas deliberately surrounds themselves with civilians. They are responsible for those deaths more than the Israelis are. It's a bit like challenging another dude to a fight and then hiding behind your girlfriend or a child when he starts throwing punches at you.
Hamas aren't a group of isolated terrorists. They are the government of Gaza. The vast majority of people in Gaza support their actions. It's not as clear cut between civilians and the baddies.
Hamas was voted in in 2006 or something like that. Only 22% of people alive now (I think) were part of that vote, so they should probably have another one. They may have changed their minds. At the time of the original vote, there is evidence Israeli leaders wanted Hamas to win so they could treat them militarily instead of needing to continue the peace process, and starved Fatah of campaign funds... but maybe that's just what some idiot said. Surely many of them still support violence.
In any case, Israel has legitimate security concerns. But so does Gaza. So IMHO Israel should not be the one enforcing the peace, a third party should step in and do it. And I know the U.N. is a dumpster fire, but it is all the world has, even Putin still works with it because there is no alternative. So maybe a U.N. peacekeeping force could be utilized. Israel would not agree, so it would have to be forced upon them.
I support Israel's right to exist, but only if they support Palestine's right to exist. They've had a long time to work that out, and when pressed they just point to the one part of the negotiations where Arafat rejected a bad deal, as though that was the end of all possible negotiations. At some point someone has to call it full-time on this delaying and revoke recognition of Israel as a state. Yes, that's hardball, but they don't respond to anything other.
do you know that peacekeepers don't stop whoever wants to fight?
they just separate the parties and watch to avoid unintentional scalation, accidents, etc.
At most, they avoid no-warning attacks and "the other side started shooting" blame wars because the parties are supposed to ask them to leave before attacking.
Before the 1967 war, Egypt asked the peacekepers to leave, and they left.
Last week, peacekeepers on Lebanon-Israel border stopped patrols and returned to their bases on their own volition - they are not going to work if one of the parties want to start shooting.
last month, russian peacekeepers did not fight Azerbaijan. Nagorno-Karabakh is gone for Armenia.
why would soldiers from 3rd countries accept to die?
if you mean having UN soldiers controlling Gaza, that is not peacekeeping, that is a territorial mandate, which is costlier and riskier. Who wants to run a neo-colony, have their own soldiers hunt terrorists, besides being blamed by every adminstrative or security trouble? And who is going to convince Hamas to leave?
I understand the curring of water/energy. Israel declared war.
Sending freebies to enemy territory in war is... in principle... treason. I would not do it before lawyering up strongly.
but, exchanging something for something, like energy for hostages... that is negociation.
Also, if they really want to invade soon, water and energy would help the enemy to prepare himself.
Anyway, it appears they returned water to south gaza - which they said would not be invaded
Yeah well, weird thing happened. I noticed a pattern in their behavior and then only later noticed them claiming that is how they behave.
But I'm sure they are subhuman death cultists because everybody says so and anyone would be totally condemned by absolutely everybody if they suggested it might be otherwise.
They are subhuman death cultists because of the massacre they pulled in Israel. That speaks to who they are more than any words ever could.
That's a common opinion.
My opinion is that they are extremist freedom fighters possibly following old-testament rules of "an eye for an eye" in a collective sense, and as such Hamas is trying to eventually kill as many Jews as Jews have killed of them, which means they think they have a hell of a lot more eyes to take. Even according to Jews, they have the law of an eye for an eye, and also their Noahide law of justice requires them to carry it out. Both sides are required to retaliate or else they are sinning. Due to asymmetric capability, Hamas' retaliations may take a couple of years, doesn't mean they are not retaliations. The idea that everything that Hamas does is evil because it is unprovoked, and Israel's response is righteous because it is the retaliation, can be seen in the exact opposite light if you are on the other side. Given that Hamas' actions are always a response too (the right view is both are responding), just a slow, pre-meditated, takes a long time to get their shit together kind of a response.
I do not support Hamas. Trying to honestly understand someone isn't the same thing as taking their side. Sun Tzu said we should know our enemy.
In this 105 year long fight for land, I take nobody's side.
Mike you have a lot of patience for dealing with retards. I couldn't even collect myself long enough for one line without typos.
I don't quite see Hamas as you. I see Hamas as working for Israel the same way as ISIS works for Israel but they are never the less distinct. ISIS destabilizes Israel's enemies while Hamas engages in random acts of terrorism against Israel in order to justify continued treatment of Palestinians as animals.
Palestinians support Hamas because they are dumb animals. Even Norman Finkelstein - one of their biggest supporters - said they were stupid. For fuck's sake the median age of Palestinian is 18 - they are literally children.
Palestinians feel like everybody betrayed them except Hamas so they vote for Hamas. I am sure Hamas fighters risking their lives also believe they are doing the right thing just like ISIS fighters risking their lives believe they are doing the right thing. But all are guided from above by Israel.
Both Christian and Muslim religions are guided by the Jews as a whole as well. The Pope reads the script straight from the WEF. the Saudis are fairly close with USA which is in turn one with Israel even though Saudis have to pretend to oppose Israel but never actually do anything.
Saudis "Prove" they are real muslims by supporting ISIS but all ISIS does is attack other Muslims who actually support Palestine.
It's a big game of chess except Israel is playing both sides.
What they do to retaliate matters. This was not men killing men. This was men raping, torturing and murdering as many civilians as they could get their hands on. They paraded their dead bodies in the streets to the cheers of the crowd. They are proud of their inhumanity.
It's a bit like excusing the holocaust by saying the Jews were guilty too. There is no excuse for such actions. Once you commit this kind of atrocity you forfeit your cause.
How Israel sells their own terrorist attacks
This guy is not honest, nor does he know the history - or worse he intentionally skews it to fit his narrative.
Stop giving him attention.