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They are the same take. You mock anyone that chooses to maintain their privacy and argue that privacy is not needed.

The same message is conveyed with either wording.

No, they are not remotely. Saying you should be forced to divulge you private affairs “if you have nothing to hide” is totalitarian. It’s up to the individual to decide what he wants to share.

My point is to encourage an ethos of posting under your own name and sharing what you think because freedom tech means no one can stop you, and the hiding is only necessary under fiat tech. And posting as yourself is more based and destroys the frame of the censor which is that you would never dare say that with your IRL ID attached.

Odell encourages hiding which IMO is antithetical to freedom tech. Freedom tech means, yes, you know who I am, but you can’t shut me up. But encouraging an ethos of openness and forcing it is not the same thing.

Do whatever you want, but don’t twist what I’m saying just because you’re triggered by it.

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Nate 2y ago

I am talking about financial privacy. Privacy of your Bitcoin holdings. For the same reasons you dont broadcast how much cash is in your pocket.

You are defending yourself by conflating a completely different point about free speech. Maybe you meant to make this point and in the process attacked financial privacy.

Also not sure why you are trying to drag nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx into this.

Nate 2y ago

"You don't need to hide it" ... "unless you have some important reason to". Get a grip

Chris Liss 2y ago

Dude, you’re just repeating yourself, and you’re still wrong. And you just tagged the guy, not me.

Nate 2y ago

You just talk the shit, you dont do the tagging. 🙄 Further supports my point about you. Thanks for bringing X to nostr

Chris Liss 2y ago

Wrong yet again! I only mentioned him because the post you selectively quoted was in response to a post by him. (See below for the full context):

And it is you who dredged this up in the first place!

https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/721e325e3222022af3f4ce2416322d6a45c4bed91b0b3ebb7d6e94d6340f0e7b.webp

Nate 2y ago

nostr:npub1dtf79g6grzc48jqlfrzc7389rx08kn7gm03hsy9qqrww8jgtwaqq64hgu0 why wont you publicly doxx your financial holdings right now? You dont need to 'feel ashamed' or continue 'living in fear' like most Bitcoiners. Prove Odell wrong by example.

I cant tell if you have malicious motives or just dont understand whats wrong with your take. You're not anti financial privacy, you just mock those who prefer to preserve it - which happens to be most nostr users.

Chris Liss 2y ago

My name is on this site. If you want to try and find out my net worth, knock yourself out. I don’t give a shit.

If you were not so disingenous, you would not be suggesting I dox myself. Nowhere do I suggest anyone dox himself.

The post you cited to start this entire argument was me replying to Odell that I disagreed one should conjoin if you get paid in bitcoin so your boss (if he’s enough of a psycho to try and track you) can’t do so.

That the point of bitcoin was that no one could stop you from spending your money how you wish.

I try to live my life from a position of empowerment. I am lucky to be born in an era where there’s freedom tech. If the government wants to kill me for using it, then it will. But the odds are against that, and I prefer to use it openly and encourage others to do the same, rather than being worried about some loser boss spying on my purchases or social media posts.

I value my privacy quite a bit. I only post the things publicly I want to reveal. But I’m also not going to live my life in such a way that no one could ever discover my net worth or whether I bought a house or car. I don’t really care.

I also never said someone shouldn’t be allowed to conjoin or retain more financial privacy for things I care less about. If that’s super important to you, then absolutely do whatever you want. So I don’t even know why you’re so triggered.

Instead of looking for “malicious motives” why not consider what I’m saying at face value: Is it not a more robust, prosperous and secure society where you can buy or own things openly and without fear than one where everyone needs to hide everything to optimize op sec?

Isn’t a big problem with communism that they can and will seize your wealth no matter how fairly earned? And doesn’t this freedom tech ultimately solve this problem and allow people to resist this kind of unjust seizure or at least make it far more difficult?

I think we should emphasize empowerment but often err on the side of fear.

Nate 2y ago

nostr:npub1dtf79g6grzc48jqlfrzc7389rx08kn7gm03hsy9qqrww8jgtwaqq64hgu0 I dont disagree with you. Perhaps I misunderstood your original post.

My apologies for wasting both our time and emotional energies on this. I honestly dont know what the hell happened.

Chris Liss 2y ago

Damn, even when you get into a fight on nostr, the guy you’re fighting with turns out to be based.

No hard feelings. Appreciate the apology — would never get that on Twitter in a million years.

Sorry if I was a bit snarky in my responses myself.