Jesus Christ taught us how to govern ourselves without the state. How far have we fallen?

“if Christians actually acted as Jesus taught them to – if they governed their social interactions through love, forgiveness and charity – then there would be no need for a state. People would help one another and willingly share all of life’s basic necessities. The ordering principle of society would be love, not a fictional ‘justice’ enforced by a brutal state.”

For Tolstoy, therefore, Christianity and the state are incompatible visions for society. One cannot be both an honest Christian and at the same time recognise the legitimacy of the state, both because the state directly contravenes Jesus’ clear advice, and because if Jesus’ recommendations were put to practice, then the state would anyway become obsolete.”

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If you live how christus has teached us to live you are actually beeing punished in the current world.

But it's worth it

everyday is a new chance to flip the switch

it all starts within

no other way

literally can't outsource sovereignty

Fallen very very far.

The separation of church & state is a myth. He was right that they are incompatible. That’s why they could never separate and had to merge. Corporatism is the name of the game. Catholic Church Inc.

Bingo

#NoKingButChrist

Lol 😂 not sen this before

Amen👌

8. You shall not steal

Although God ordains both, the church and the state have separate ends, and separate means to those ends.

The former is redemptive (operating on the principle of grace), the latter is retributive (operating on the principle of justice). The former is eternal, the latter is temporary ("secular").

To confuse these two kingdoms is to degrade one or both. And until He returns and joins these two kingdoms, we are citizens of both: "in the world, but not of the world" precisely because we are of the kingdom (ethically) but not yet in it (geopolitically).

#2k

This is an error in biblical exegesis.

The reformation was essential and corrected many things, but did not go far enough.

The ecclesia is God's preferred replacement for the state.

https://peakd.com/kingdom/@creatr/the-state-or-god-s-kingdom-a-comparison-chart

Sphere Sovereignty miscategorizes life into "church" and "civil government," while the biblical categories are "Kingdom of God" and "kingdom of satan" aka "the world."

No, brother. Romans 13 (in context) and 1 Peter 2:13 dispute this interpretation. Paul himself submitted to civil jurisdiction of the State, appealing to Caesar, and did not reject his own execution by their hand if just cause could be shown. Jesus too even paid taxes (albeit in a subversive way).

What you're arguing for is some kind of Christian-only society, a theonomy of sorts, and that is not for us now. "Here we have no continuing city..." We are in the world, though not of it. This position would take us out of it altogether. We're pilgrims following Jer. 29:7, with Gen. 9:5-6 still in force for society at large. The beatitudes require an ethic for the church but it does not override the existing ethic for all of mankind.

"Sphere sovereignty" properly categorizes church, family, state, (and any other institution or association) as having authority within its own sphere (the distinction of the church being that it alone is eternal). We still have enforcable property rights. We still have criminals. Christians are not immune from this. Let's not immanentize the eschaton--let's take a lesson from the radical reformers like the anabaptists and Müntzer.

I am not fully on board with this but decided to comment simply because I am grateful to have found where some of the Christians are plus some of the right...

Not sure how to describe myself economically but I would default towards something like 'national Capitalism.' Ultimately, I believe the state is a necessary evil to protect us not just from petty criminals, but from organized crime - whether this is being done by the mafia or by a corporation.

Nice to meet you sir.

I am always going to be a libertarian christian. That’s how i interpreted the bible. There’s natural hierarchy (Gods Kingdom) vs the unnatural hierarchy (Satans Kingdom).

So I believe in hierarchy for sure for structure just like in the family and local community.

But a national government or international government seems not the natural way. It seems very much government is god. At least that’s my perspective on it.

Right - and there is really something to be said about all forms of hierarchy being a form of division that is unhelpful.

The Catholic Priest, Fr. Chad Ripperger, talked about how the caste system of India is truly Satanic because hell loves hierarchy as it is one of the most efficient ways of creating suffering and injustice.