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I'm getting the feeling more and more that the original SAIF movement is somehow inauthentic, too artificial. Kind of just an "non-binding declaration of intent," at worst a more pretentious form of piety signaling. BTW, "non-binding declaration of intent" is also how advertising is defined, which is why legally speaking, it can spread lies about a product or service.

I'm coming to this view more and more, not just because of recent events, but I had this impression from the beginning, from the first so-called "SAIF-OGs." It's not about the abstract, very theoretical articles they write, but more:

- Lack of practical relevance

- None of the SAIF-OGs are active here on Nostr (despite a certain number of supporters in the Muslim community)

- I hardly ever see them talking about Bitcoin or OPSEC

- They're not involved in the FOSS scene and talk too little about it

... just idealistic yada yada blah blah in hard-to-digest articles all the time.

In short, it feels like every crap we modern Muslims set up these days: Fake, without substance, quickly passing. Basically like an Islamic shitcoin.

There are some real SAIF Muslims, don't get me wrong. They were SAIF before the term even existed. Like nostr:npub17veg2gt7ja4dnjhs23jyttvpqlde3ajevlxuumxwghnqmgqwuv4q78cc5z and nostr:npub1uzfp6cgwue2njm86cmyeq7m26y0n58w72acq98sjsnnv4c87002s6857h3 for example. They take the ideas behind it seriously from the beginning. I myself have written articles on my domains that could be classified as "SAIF," but never labeled them as such. But the guys behind https://saif.systems/? Yeah, nice website, so what? It seems to me like this new, artificial SAIF movement just settled into the ready-made nest and is somehow trying to take it over.

I've observed it for a long time, kept quiet for a long time, didn't want to be the critic who ruins a good thing right at the start with criticism. But now? Stay away from me with "SAIF," you hypocrites. I myself will only use the term mockingly from now on. And I'll understand it that way if someone brings it up to me. With a contemptuous smile.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote but I still support them. I see SAIF as laying the ground work for theory + praxis that can inspire future endeavors inshaAllah. It's inspired me for sure.

I do wish SAIF was more cypherpunk. Neglecting that ethos will hurt SAIF in the long run (though I'm unable to explain how)

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What is SAIF exactly? Is it an org with certain principles? Does it have a Does it have a hierarchy? Is it a new idea or philosophy? (it has to be *new*, because obviously it needs a new term for it). Even that's not clear to beginn with.

Whatever it is, I can't get anything more out of it than a "sincere declaration of intent" without any further consequences, benefits, or connection to real life, whether digital or analog, for Muslims like me.