The initial conversation was about nations. I said bad governance is not an argument against nations. Don’t twist my words to try to make it seem like I’m defending bad governance. You claim that all governance is inherently evil, so I brought up examples that refute that.

Totally, everyone knows the millions of college graduates applying for visas and citizenship are really after food stamps.

Yes, people that refuse to be politically active and are dissatisfied with their nation should consider leaving. There’s nothing weak about that argument if you don’t conflate nations with governments.

No, probably unlike you, I know politics matters, so I will seek to effect change through politics before considering moving to a foreign nation.

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I think you have a different definition of nation. Seems like you’re conflating nation with culture or society. A nation is an area ruled by a government body.

But I’m glad you keep investing time and energy into politics with no return. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

I defined a nation in my original response, but good you caught on to it now.

Yeah Ross is totally not free and the DOJ is still going after bitcoin developers.

Such a waste of a vote. Absolutely no return on the 10mins it took to vote. You got me there 👍🏼

But your retarded definition doesn’t even make sense. This “nation” doesn’t share a race, values, or a language. Go vote harder bro. Keep asking permission to be free.

the de facto state is not the real state.

Your understanding of the term nation is incorrect.

According to American Founder John Jay in Federalist 2, there are six elements for BEING American: shared ancestry, shared language, shared religion, similar conceptions of government and law, a shared culture, and a shared historical experience.

Sounds like America isn’t a nation

It isn't. It's a continent.

There is still a distinct American nation but it doesn't include paper or hyphenated "Americans".

What is a paper or hyphenated American?

People that don't meet the six elements of being American as stated by John Jay, and referenced earlier.

So the US is not a nation?