Clown world accelerates

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But why is this one clown world tho Scott? Wouldn’t it be a net objective good if we can achieve such a level of density in battery energy storage as to make battery powered ships economical? Serious question, not being sarcastic.

I wish batteries and the energy pumped into them were environmentally friendly and they lasted a lifetime and didnt rely on countries like China to do it all.

*if* is the operative word here. Energy is a ladder, places that can't reliably produce their own energy supply should use the most economical fuel supply, and its unlikely this could be better than an LNG freighter. When economic development reaches the point that those places want a longer term investment in a source of energy that's cheaper in the long term then they can commit to the higher upfront cost. The idea of a tanker carrying batteries though, I can't imagine how expensive that will be, it seems ripe for a situation where the poor are completely cut off from access and electricity is a luxury only the government and elite can afford.

Batteries store energy to be used at another time or another place. Nat gas, oil, and nuclear are the densest batteries humanity has discovered. Traditional electric batteries will never achieve this energy density, IMO. And certainly aren't there today. Tanker ships running on electric batteries is a step backward with today's tech, and probably will be even on tomorrow's tech. The hunt for energy dense batteries starts and ends with combustibles and nuclear.

I agree with this as a true statement today. However, I don’t think we are bound to this and the breakthroughs in chemistry and physics required for denser battery storage, I believe, are worth pursuing even if this clearly is not the most economical application.

How can anything ever be more energy dense than a battery (oil and nat gas) that so completely stores energy that upon its usage, there is no solid waste left behind whatsoever? Rechargeable electric batteries physically cannot ever achieve this level of energy density. It's not about technology, it's about physics.

Again. I get that, but I can potentially imagine a place for batteries in the mix - but sure I could very well be wrong. The larger issue is that the free market should be deciding where the investment goes - as this would make the “who’s right” in this convo irrelevant. State subsidies to both O&G and “green” and battery tech is all just different flavors of anti-market / market-breaking malinvestment.

Totally agree. Curious if battery tech would even be a product in a free market.