Nostr Web Client

> Relays can't scale because no one is coding one that does scale. We literally don't have a single dev working on real scaleable architecture. You have to find the person first. None of us are good for that type of work.

Yup :( No one can seem to just implement mysql like their app will catch a disease or something. Make stateless apps again.

> We all want to get out of GitHub, but no one has ever made a better tool than GitHub that works right now that we can migrate. We are not going to work on that tool ourselves. We don't have the time. So you have to find a person that can do that, likely for the next 3 years, in order to fully replace GitHub.

This is a bit of a fallacy though. I don't use GitHub (not that it matters because I don't have collaborators) but there is plenty of competing software available, even better than GitHub in terms of actual product management, integration and deployment. The only advantage GitHub has is a popular website, devs that already have accounts, and social media like gimmicks. OneDev, GitLab, ForgeJo, GitTea, and probably a bunch of others have more than enough features. But no one wants to invest the time into running the servers. Which I get. I spend like 10-20hrs/week just doing server bullshit. Just say that, instead of there is nothing as good as a multi billion dollar company offering a SaaS product. GitHub is far from a "better" product, it's just convenient and free.

Vitor Pamplona 10mo ago

True on the other softwares... But the issue is not that nobody wants to run them, the issue is that by using them you just switch your overlords, from Microsoft to whoever is running those servers. It's virtually no improvement to the situation.

If they where on Nostr itself, though... Then we can talk. But we don't have good clients for that yet.

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ChipTuner 10mo ago

I think projects should get to own their infrastructure. Wouldn't call it "overlord" and that still not exactly an issue GitHub challenges or fixes.

It's not difficult to mirror anyone's repo either. I mirror dozens of projects, mostly for cache reasons, but just to offer mirrors. I can spare a few MB to mirrors repos for other people. It takes almost no time if you have git, any generic http server, (cron if you want to stay up to date) and some free disk space. The "overlords" can't take that away from us unless they go closed source and well that's not even what were talking about.

I still think that's a bit of a cop out though. Fighting for perfect when we can have good enough for now running our own servers and discussing issues and making proposals on nostr. Many of us already do that.

The Beave 10mo ago

Exactly. This can and should have been done much sooner.

The Beave 10mo ago

Then build one. You're a client dev. I know that git via nostr has been discussed and can be done if given priority.

Basically, stop telling other people to do it when you could do it. I can't, so I'm just whinging about it until it happens as I see the current situation as untenable long term and something needs to be done about it sooner rather than later.