Nostr Web Client

Secure DMs and groups might be how Nostr wins. Like Signal, but better: no phone number or centralized service provider needed. Actually there are no publicly visible user IDs involved, so in that regard it's similar to simplex.chat.

Unlike public messaging, DMs do not depend on the network effect. Great for onboarding people and keeping them returning with push notifications. They get a bitcoin wallet, zaps and all the other Nostr greatness on the side.

Many people don't want to let go of their existing follower base on X, but "Nostr DMs only" is easier to do. I could imagine that becoming a thing in the Bitcoin scene at first.

Janneke 1y ago

DM´s need to be deleteable - which is not possible at the moment.

And they shouldn´t create any metadata = the hardest part!

Messenger with a short ID and no metadata are available = it´s called Threema!

Check for yourself and visit:

https://www.securemessagingapps.com

Rate:

🟩=3

🟨=1

🟥=0

Results (and where the money comes from)

1. Threema = 83 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time + BTC possible)

2. SimpleX Chat *= 79

3. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 77

4. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77

5. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68

6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61

7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56

8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37

9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32

10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28

11. Telegram (Putin) = 27

12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26

13. Microsoft Skype =10

* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect. Plus Jack Dorsey and other Venture Capital Companys!

OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment

If you want to buy Threema, you can buy a license (Android only) from me and pay with Bitcoin Lightning! Ask for my Threema-ID or just contact me via nostr!

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Discussion

adhish 1y ago

Just saw Threema's website again. Seems like they are open source now and tout Swiss data residency. Back in 2016 I was considering secure alternative to WhatsApp but then signal had just started to mature. Threema I believe was closed source, Germany based company, and required upfront payment limiting network adoption. Good to see them evolved, thanks for sharing!

AU9913 1y ago

How would you create a message without Metadata? That's pretty impossible

Also, working on deleting dms is a waste of resources, you can't unsend a letter, you can't unsay a sentence, you don't need to be able to delete dms as long as they are secret.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

they are deleteable if the relays support delete, which is yet another reason why paying for relays is just going to become normal

in my relay implementation all event kinds can be deleted except delete events themselves, they are there as part of ensuring the event is not saved again (it also includes a special tombstone index field that refers to the event id and is searched for when performing a delete)

the other thing about it is that normally you can't delete events authored by other users

this is a good reason why it would be useful if the relay always checks your mute list and so if you have a scammer message you, once you mute them, the event stops being returned from the relay

it's not hard to see how all of these use cases make it abundantly clear that users should only need to keep a few relays, that the relays should have smart filtering features (i'm going to implement this mute-filter feature soon, making a mental note) and that the relays need to be paid relays, so that this kind of functionality, related to issues of confidentiality and privacy has incentives to be implemented

free relays are a slippery slide down back into the hell of feed manipulation and market data harvesting

cryptowolf 1y ago

I dont like how Threema purposely misleads and lies to users on their comparison chart. I barely looked at threema for 30 seconds and this is what i see on their webpage:

"Telegram is not encrypted messaging".

This is clearly a lie despite all the other shortcomings of telegram, could have just told the truth and make it easy.

For this lie, they cannot ever be trusted nor should they ever be trusted.

Simplex rules.

Janneke 1y ago

Telegram got ZERO dataprotection.

And NO encryption at all.

PlasmaGuardian 1y ago

Telegram hardly qualifies as an encrypted messaging app since it doesn't have end-to-end encryption enabled by default, and there's not even an option for group chats.