I listened to it yesterday too. They both did a good job.
Unfortunately STN is not willing to actually talk trade-offs.
Luke was more gracious with him than he deserved and IS actually willing to talk about trade-offs.
So Luke will admit that Monero has weaknesses,
but STN will NOT do the same for LN.
My nickel psychological evaluation is that STN thinks he's smarter than everybody, so he thinks he justified to meme and lie to get people to do what he wants.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯