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U lack a lot of insight about how the real world actually works and when change is and isnt possible. Ever heard of Hayek and his explanation that the powers that be would never allow a new truely hard currency of the people unless we sort or find a sly roundabout way to introduce it?

Well, storing big loads of easy to view CSAM is not that 🤣🤣

U have to admit the powers that are in control will gladly take the CSAM argument to make the use of bitcoin near impossible, which in turn makes bitcoi lose 99% of its audience instantly .

The full quote by Friedrich Hayek is,

"I don't believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government, that is, we can't take them violently out of the hands of government, all we can do is by some sly roundabout way introduce something they can't stop". Hayek said this in a 1984 interview, and the quote is often interpreted in the context of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, which many believe fulfill his prediction for a decentralized, unstoppable form of money.

ManyKeys 3mo ago

A sly roundabout way is this: get paid for your work in bitcoin, get your projects on bitcoin and pay others in bitcoin for the work you need from them. Stop interacting with the state and its mixed-economy aka socialist bullshit; go through the agora as much you can. This will become more evident with time and is what I follow with my own example.

Bitcoin wasn't made by a state power to begin with, it was made by cypherpunks that wanted to dismantle its control over people. If people want the state to be there for them, then there's XRP.

There's no need to gatekeep bitcoin; its unstructured simplicity is its strength. I don't buy into the FUD and will not upgrade my node till this shitty fiasco proves to be a nothing burger. I expect this to happen within 6-8 months.

Let's see. I'll be here.

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keta 3mo ago

So u believe we dont need goverments to exist ? No police, no fire department, no public roads? Ur one of those libertarians that wants to reinvent the whole concept of governance? Because right after u abollish government you will start to form your own local government with your neighbourhood watch and then city level, and then beyond untill you once again end up with governments everywhere ;p

Also, who will hire you and pay you in btc whe its considered an illegal CSAM dumpsterfire?

Ur logic runs only one inch deep. Core has the same intellectual defficiency.

ManyKeys 3mo ago

I have no doubt that the state will cease to exist and that centralized systems will collapse. Monopoly on money was the last thing that kept that ponzi scheme afloat. Now we have a precedent for decentralized money. Even if bitcoin in its current form gets destroyed, the idea that it is possible will never get destroyed.

Here's a short list of imperatives that sheds light upon the possibilities of decentralized social/economic order based on free market and individual sovereignty:

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keta 3mo ago

But apart from the fringe 0.1% that has the same view as you, do you really believe there will not instantly form a new government as soon as the old one is abollished or collapses? Because history shows you that your scenario never happened, ever, because 99.99% of people want to feel as secure as they possibly can. Its not something magical that happens, its the people themself that form their own new governments when there is no one to protect them.

ManyKeys 3mo ago

The answer is simple: we never had bitcoin.

Satoshi's words "the network is robust in its unstructured simplicity". Why do you think we, all of sudden, need gate keepers that will introduce structure to the network? Are you really afraid that some dumb jpegs fiasco is capable of erasing the idea that for the first time in history solved the Byzantine General's problem in trustless decentralised fashion? Do you not apprehend what that entails for humanity? Well, then, I have nothing more to say to you, cause you're infected with fiat slave mentality.