Can someone please show me where and when Milei said he was bitcoiner? He talks about dollarization, Austrian economics, but honestly I’ve only seen him refer to Bitcoin once and he used it interchangeably with cripto and blockchain.

Yes, Argentina needs a change and that’s all anyone should be celebrating… and even then if you don’t under the complex political and social landscape of Latin American countries, specially Argentina it’s best to not comment cause for changes to come a lot of people will suffer greatly, even Argentinian Bitcoiners…

Argentina is not El Salvador and Milei is not Bukele… get your shit together guys

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He totally understands Bitcoin as an Austrian economic. Thats more than most bitcoiners do as a lot of them call themselves bitcoiners but only care about numbers go up.

And how does that translate to him being a bitcoiner and making bitcoin legal tender?

Does being a bitcoiner implies speaking loud about bitcoin or understanding the principles of bitcoin? Why should he make bitcoin a legal tender right now in argentina? Thats impossible. Imo its a wise decision to go step by step and start with stability and dollar.

But when did he say he was making bitcoin legal tender? That’s my question

I think most people refer to the point that he understands that money most be private again and stands for a free competitive market between currencies. That implies bitcoin becomes a legal tender by nature not by law. Never heard that he said exactly he makes bitcoin a legal tender by law.

Yep.

"Legal" implies authoritarianism, screw that.

Make Freedom legal again, the rest sorts out by itself.

btw your question was how to see he‘s a bitcoiner ✌️😃

Aw thanks for the mansplaining of my thought process Mark 💜

always nice to have a fruitful discussion

Here's a cookie for using a non-word: 🍪️

every hodgepodge of letters that can be read and portray meaning is a word.

Pretty cromulent, thank you.

he has not

Thankfully.

That "dollar" bit tho...

I hope with time they transition to future BRICS money and maybe Euro too.

Dollar might not be stable for long

Ceux qui souhaitent la montée de l'ultra droite un peu partout dans nos continents m'est avis n'ont rien compris des raisons de la WW2

Also don’t think he is far right. He is a libertarian which is different.

"Libertarians are often skeptical of or opposed to authority, state power, warfare, militarism and nationalism, but some libertarians diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems."

How come a libertarian runs for the head of state??

Let's hope for the sake of Argentinians that he is not a charlatan.

That is the drop of skepticism I wish to see with all of us. But also we can’t expect libertarians not to run for office… if not how will the rest leave?

Yeah, it's that old trick.

He wants power to fight off other power-hungry actors. Right.

That’s where we need to wait and see but I do like you questioning reasoning! That’s what I would expect from the rest

Destroying from within is a powerful strategy.

When in doubt, ask KGB, Mossad and CIA agents.

"Libertarians should get the state so that the state doesn't get the people" nice logic!

most libertarians who are almost all rich people have taken advantage of the economic systems of their own State to enrich themselves surrounded by lawyers who unfortunately allow them to contribute less or use tax havens even their donations serve to contribute less and do not dream of a universal income which would not allow any individual to live with dignity or even reduce the salaries of their employees... a shame even on an individual or on art is a tax strategy.

On en reparlera dans quelques années durant sa mandature est-ce que vous avez analysé le changement de personnalités de Bukele? Seulement j 'ai des collègues du Pérou ou d'Argentine j'ai remarqué qu'ils ne laisseront faire. Quant à l'Argentine tout comme certaines zones des usa Etats furent le refuge de certains nazis durant la 2 WW dont la plupart venaient de l'Allemagne, d'Italie Autriche Hongrie etc.. Libertarien ou pas selon moi ne pense qu'à l'individualisme qui selon moi est abject

Quelle que soit votre opinion sur les individus, pensez à l'importance pour un pays traditionnellement autoritaire d'être attiré par les principes libertaires et d'agir en conséquence en votant pour quelqu'un qui souhaite se débarrasser, au moins en partie, des traits autoritaires de l'État.

C'est pour le moins intéressant.

Obviously adore you full stop. That and, this was the first note I saw today and I thought “thank God for the female perspective.”

Love you Ang ❤️ it’s just too much crazy over things that are not clear

👏🏽

Quote taken from https://cpsi.media/p/why-and-how-to-dollarize-argentina and interview with Emilio Ocampo.

"Rasheed Griffith: What is your view on the use of Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other cryptocurrencies, similar to the experimentation in El Salvador with Bukele, and his policies towards crypto? Do you think that would be useful in Argentina?

Emilio Ocampo: First of all, the Bukele experiment hasn't worked, okay? So, we have a very strong precedent there, and the reason it hasn't worked is because Bitcoin is not a currency that people want today.

Maybe speculators want Bitcoin, but the average worker doesn't want to pay in Bitcoin because maybe tomorrow he has 20 percent more, and the day after he has 25 percent less and it just doesn't make any sense. You need a stable currency and Bitcoin now can’t provide it. Maybe 10 years from now it's going to be a different story.

So Argentina doesn't have the luxury of tampering with or trying to be… Because in theory you could say, well what Argentina needs is a stable coin based in the cloud outside of Argentina or whatever, something like that. But look, we have to come back to reality. This is a country that is going through a very serious social crisis.

We're at the verge of hyperinflation. To start tinkering and proposing things that nobody has ever tried. The execution risk is huge. And by the way, I emphasize the point I made earlier. Under our proposal, the guiding principle is monetary freedom. It's the idea that you can choose which currency you want to use, not the government, you pay your taxes in dollars, anything else you want to sign your lease in euros or in Bitcoin or in yen, that's your choice.

The idea here is to get the government out of that position. It’s to provide people with complete freedom to decide what currency they want to use. So we don't need to do fancy schemes like what has been tried in El Salvador, which by the way, as I said, it's not working and it hasn't worked. We need to stick to the basics and to the basic idea, which is freedom.

At the end of the day, the basic idea here is freedom of choice. "

Yeah same video I saw… and that has been published like 3 times. Don’t get me wrong I want him to be all the good Argentina needs! I just don’t understand why all the simping over a politician

Not sure what bukele has to do here. I’m not a Milei fan by the way but I did voted for him in the ballotage as there was no choice but:

1- yes, Milei never said bitcoin will be legal tender. He simply agrees and celebrates the existence of a private money and the freedom to chose whatever you think is useful instead of making it compulsory

2- Argentina has lots of problems but is far from being comparable with El Salvador. Sin yes Argentina luckily is not comparable and bukele is not a sort of God despite of having done lots of potentially good things there

I agree with everything you wrote here! And I am 💯 with you on this. I just think people have lost clarity with this overhype

Best take I’ve read (as an outsider), from one who clearly is an insider.

Is this what "bitcoin minimalist" means?

I guess Milei is a Bitcoin minimalist, freedom maximalist?

Love is the only real currency, guys.

Milei is better than a bitcoiner, he is a rothbardian.

https://mises.org/wire/rothbard-milei-and-new-right-argentina