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Who said that women with weapons are hot?
The topic of possesing guns is quite controversial. There are valid arguements on both sides.
I would only argue that if individuals should posses guns, should be only if it is confirmed that they psychologically stable and that the guns can be accesible only to them.
i think that nobody should dictate to anyone else who wants to be prepared for defense
i think that just like bitcoin overcomes the enemy as a swarm of cyberhornets, similarly, a broadly capable population can stop a standing army, because they have local knowledge, and because they are more numerous, regardless of their smaller armaments
women perform martial roles anyway, medical care, spying, surveilance, guarding, they are very good at keeping their eyes wide and this is a natural thing in most mammal species, the females call the males to battle when the wolves visit
Yes this is one of the valid arguements. But there are other ways to achieve this without distributing weapons to everybody including lunatics for example. I think you have heard about minutemen militia and militias in general where the weapons are strictly owned by certain persons that have responsibility for them. Something like thst...
who said anything about distributing
and anyway, if everyone who wants one has them and they carry them for security routinely, what chance does a lunatic have of not having 10 guns pointed at him the moment he swaggers up thinking he's gonna kill someone? zero
you ladies are prone to using collective language, we and us and stuff
just saying
it's not even a vaguely useful mental exercise to make prescriptions about governance that you think are good because none of them work
what works is a good system of adjudication and a collaborative system of law discovery, i know at least Stella should understand that is exactly what the Bible prescribes and everywhere it has been applied has been peaceful and wealthy
Well we all have seen various incidents in schools in USA for example. Seems like lunatics can have theirbopportunity to cause damage when armed, even if they end up dead eventually. After all we are talking about lunatics. Who says a lunatic cares if 10 guns pointing on them? This is what i mean...
They are usually intent on suicide.
then they get it quickly and nobody else gets hurt, if there is people with weapons ready to deal with it
also, you should do some research on a number of the cases, many times:
psychiatric conditions
fbi already had them on their radar
taking psychotropic drugs
bought their weapons with help or out of state
sometimes were even given their weapons
usually it has turned out the FBI was grooming them for their job
the whole thing was suspicious, horrible and tragic and how quickly politicians jumped on it to take weapons away even harder from people who would have shot this psychotic loon if they were not legally prohibited
always, always, always
just do your research, i've seen dozens of these cases, from Port Arthur to Columbine to dozens of others
i mean, all you get if you ban weapons is like the UK, where they just run around with knives and stab people randomly, great, so, what are the people going to do, throw themselves on top of this guy and get stabbed?
Vehicles, my friend, not knives. Vehicles are non-suspicious and can easily be repurposed to cause mass casualties.
Otherwise. 100%.
a lunatic is dead if they don't drop their weapon and surrender
the majority of places in USA where these incidents have occurred it's hard for people to get weapons, colorado, for example... new york, california
also the very same regions where all the police dramas are set, and where gangs are a big problem
yeah, where good, law abiding people can't get weapons beacuse they have bene browbeaten by psychotic socialist gun grabbers into submission
trying to stop violence by banning weapons is like trying to stop drugs by banning drugs
just ask Al Capone about how that works
But i didn't say to ban weapons 😀. Usa has several problems to address to solve problems like this
We were founded on the whole every citizen should be able to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. We have seem to forgotten that part at some point.
I am aware of two cases where fbi guided some unstable persons. That is one of the reasons i say usa has several isdues to address. There are other countries that people posses guns, Switzerland for example, and they don't have such cases. All i am saying is that there should be a certain approch for each society and case. Saying that i have a right to defend myshelf might, might again, not be enough
Finland, Germany, Czech Republic, etc. Many European countries have a majority of the male populace with experience with, and/or access to, arms.
Europe has been in a state of war, in some region, since the first people set foot on the continent. That's why we have some of the biggest militaries and arms productions, and massive black markets in weapons and explosives, and etc. It's actually the North Americans, who haven't been at war on their own territory, for a long time. I think that's partly what is fueling the gun obsession. War is always "over there", for them, and guns are something they buy to keep people from stealing their Rolex.
Yes this is so true.
Even though these countries did not have many wars comparing to others
so it's ok to steal Rolex like you can do in Europe eh?
if rolex is stolen in the first place then you want to talk about who has been stolen instead of going down the black market chain and choosing an arbitrary point to exact justice
so, if i understand the subtext you express, you are saying, ok to steal rolex because it's shiny, but bad to steal someone's car, which might be a bit shiny but they need it to do their work? do you realise how much marxist ideology has penetrated your thinking?
No, but I wouldn't kill someone over a Rolex. There is the moral concept of force being excessive.
it's not excessive force to shoot at someone who just ran off with what cost months of your life to get
how much is months of my life worth
at least one good bullet wound i think
you must have lived a sheltered life and never come close to criminals if you don't understand that they don't listen to reason, only force
I'm grateful, that I leave that impression.
the other problem with the way you are thinking about it is the asymmetry
are you saying that proportional force would be such as finding this person and taking something from them of equal value?
let's say said thief did this by stealth, and caught you by surprise and pulled the watch off you, and then runs off, and they were dressed in generic clothes and had a mask on, and you were unable to catch them
there is a big asymmetry here, justice cannot be served at all, unless someone happens to report they were offered this item and somehow they knew it was stolen, and this is highly specious because most likely the next person who takes possession of this rolex is a fence who knows what he receives was stolen
so, then, thief gets their cut, and fence finds another corrupt scumbag to retail the rolex, and takes their cut
some stupid person who doesn't care if item is stolen or not, buys it and the circle is closed
who is now responsible for not stopping this chain of profit at the loss of one person?
the person, for not shooting at the thief when they had the chance
instead, multiple people have profited at this loss and none of them are going to get any justice at all
how do you propose proportional justice is going to work at all if it doesn't even attempt to stop this chain of corruption, exactly?
sure, probably not right to shoot someone dead for entering your property, but if they refuse to stop heading for your barn to rob you of your prime rooster or bull, then what? at what point is it proportional when not only have they trespassed, they have continued to ignore your warnings, they ignore a warning shot, then if you ask me, they have consented to being killed, and anyone who is willing to trespass and seeks to get away with it is looking to be six foot under, that is consent by action, which in this case is totally valid after at least one bullet hits the ground near them or over their head, they don't stop, they want to die
also, for this reason any opinion you have about dealing with such people, in the absence of experience, should be disregarded, and i question how you have the confidence to express it in the first place
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