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## Yeah, so... nah.

People keep trying to explain to me, that women will be better-off, if they become more dangerous. While I can see the inevitableness of women living in remote rural areas learning to shoot with a rifle, and similar, I'm generally against arming women with killing machines.

This is not because I'm averse to the idea of using violence to solve problems (albeit after exhausting better options), or because I don't like guns, or am unfamiliar with them. It's also not because I don't know I would look totally, mind-numbingly hot holding something long and spearlike, while dressed in camo and wearing a T-Shirt that appears to have shrunk in the wash.

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It's a more fundamental set of problems, that irks me.

## Bazooka Barbie

American gun manufacturers saturated the public and private male market so thoroughly, that they eventually turned to marketing firearms to women.

Men are scary and bad. There is Stranger Danger. We can't just make the neighborhood less dangerous because erm... reasons. Stay safe with a cute gun.

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It has gone along with the predictable hypersexualization of the conservative feminine ideal. Since guns are considered aggressive, women with guns are perceived as more sexually available. Guns (and tanks, bombs, bows, etc.) make women "equal", "independent", "feisty", "hot", "freaky", "calculating", "empowered", etc.

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Sorta slutty, basically.

This Gun Girl is not like the helpless, hapless, harmless homemaker ideal, of yesteryear. A woman who was dependent, chaste, gentle, wise... and in need of protection. A woman who saw the men around her as people she could rely on for providing her with a safe environment. That woman is _au revoir_. Now, sistas are doing it for themselves. 💪🏻

The New Martial Missy needs a man, like a fish needs a bicycle... but make it country.

Yeah, it's marketing, but it sure has set the tone, and millions of men have been trained to prefer women who market themselves in this manner. Hard, mean, lean women. That will not remain without wider societal consequences.

You know, I liked that homemaker. I miss her. She's literally me.

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## Those arms are for cuddling babies, not holding rocket launchers.

Now, that we've all become accustomed to imagery of women holding firearms, it wasn't much of a leap to condition us all to the sight of women in frontline police, guard, or military positions.

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Instead of war being a terrible, highly-lethal, territorial fight amongst men, it's now cute, hip, trendy and fun. It's a big party, and women are finally allowed to join in.

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Now, women have finally jettisoned the terrible burden of being society's life-bearers and caretakers, and we're just more potential enemy combatants. We know it's okay to punch women, shoot women, etc. since we've been watching it happen on screens, for decades. Women are now often assumed to be fighters, not lovers. Cavalry, not mothers.

## Girls on top

Not only does this undermine any female role -- and put female civilians under a cloud of suspicion -- it also reduces mens' claim to be paramount in governance. Why should a man be the Commander in Chief, if women are on the battlefield?

In fact, why should men be in charge of anything, anywhere? Look at them. There they are. Hiding at home. Cowering in their kitchens, wringing their hands and fretting, while courageous, dangerous women protect _them_ from dangers foreign and domestic.

Women are the better men, really.

Is this really where we want to go?

## The final bitterness

But one thing I find most disturbing is something more personal. The ubiquitous nature of firearms in American homes has made domestic violence increasingly deadly. Adding more guns, for the female residents, often serves to make such violence even more deadly for women.

It turns out, that women are usually reluctant to shoot people they know; even more than men. Women without this inhibition are prone to sharing their home with men missing the same trait. And, now, they have more guns.

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Who said that women with weapons are hot?

The topic of possesing guns is quite controversial. There are valid arguements on both sides.

I would only argue that if individuals should posses guns, should be only if it is confirmed that they psychologically stable and that the guns can be accesible only to them.

i think that nobody should dictate to anyone else who wants to be prepared for defense

i think that just like bitcoin overcomes the enemy as a swarm of cyberhornets, similarly, a broadly capable population can stop a standing army, because they have local knowledge, and because they are more numerous, regardless of their smaller armaments

women perform martial roles anyway, medical care, spying, surveilance, guarding, they are very good at keeping their eyes wide and this is a natural thing in most mammal species, the females call the males to battle when the wolves visit

There's a difference between nursing and infantry.

my mother was a nurse... it's a pretty brutal job, not necessarily painful or highly dangerous but very often very unpleasant

Must be nice to live in a culture like that

Yes this is one of the valid arguements. But there are other ways to achieve this without distributing weapons to everybody including lunatics for example. I think you have heard about minutemen militia and militias in general where the weapons are strictly owned by certain persons that have responsibility for them. Something like thst...

who said anything about distributing

and anyway, if everyone who wants one has them and they carry them for security routinely, what chance does a lunatic have of not having 10 guns pointed at him the moment he swaggers up thinking he's gonna kill someone? zero

you ladies are prone to using collective language, we and us and stuff

just saying

it's not even a vaguely useful mental exercise to make prescriptions about governance that you think are good because none of them work

what works is a good system of adjudication and a collaborative system of law discovery, i know at least Stella should understand that is exactly what the Bible prescribes and everywhere it has been applied has been peaceful and wealthy

Well we all have seen various incidents in schools in USA for example. Seems like lunatics can have theirbopportunity to cause damage when armed, even if they end up dead eventually. After all we are talking about lunatics. Who says a lunatic cares if 10 guns pointing on them? This is what i mean...

They are usually intent on suicide.

then they get it quickly and nobody else gets hurt, if there is people with weapons ready to deal with it

also, you should do some research on a number of the cases, many times:

psychiatric conditions

fbi already had them on their radar

taking psychotropic drugs

bought their weapons with help or out of state

sometimes were even given their weapons

usually it has turned out the FBI was grooming them for their job

the whole thing was suspicious, horrible and tragic and how quickly politicians jumped on it to take weapons away even harder from people who would have shot this psychotic loon if they were not legally prohibited

always, always, always

just do your research, i've seen dozens of these cases, from Port Arthur to Columbine to dozens of others

i mean, all you get if you ban weapons is like the UK, where they just run around with knives and stab people randomly, great, so, what are the people going to do, throw themselves on top of this guy and get stabbed?

Vehicles, my friend, not knives. Vehicles are non-suspicious and can easily be repurposed to cause mass casualties.

Otherwise. 100%.

vehicles are not useful for targeted assassinations though

Truth.

Knives are very good for that, if the assassin isn't concerned about surviving.

which means either they are paid or they value their lives

a lunatic is dead if they don't drop their weapon and surrender

the majority of places in USA where these incidents have occurred it's hard for people to get weapons, colorado, for example... new york, california

also the very same regions where all the police dramas are set, and where gangs are a big problem

yeah, where good, law abiding people can't get weapons beacuse they have bene browbeaten by psychotic socialist gun grabbers into submission

trying to stop violence by banning weapons is like trying to stop drugs by banning drugs

just ask Al Capone about how that works

But i didn't say to ban weapons 😀. Usa has several problems to address to solve problems like this

the main problem in the USA is the federal government at all

There is this crazy part in our founding documents, it was called the Bill Of Rights, amendment number 2. I has statement "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and we let them fucking infringe anyway.

We were founded on the whole every citizen should be able to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. We have seem to forgotten that part at some point.

I am aware of two cases where fbi guided some unstable persons. That is one of the reasons i say usa has several isdues to address. There are other countries that people posses guns, Switzerland for example, and they don't have such cases. All i am saying is that there should be a certain approch for each society and case. Saying that i have a right to defend myshelf might, might again, not be enough

Finland, Germany, Czech Republic, etc. Many European countries have a majority of the male populace with experience with, and/or access to, arms.

Europe has been in a state of war, in some region, since the first people set foot on the continent. That's why we have some of the biggest militaries and arms productions, and massive black markets in weapons and explosives, and etc. It's actually the North Americans, who haven't been at war on their own territory, for a long time. I think that's partly what is fueling the gun obsession. War is always "over there", for them, and guns are something they buy to keep people from stealing their Rolex.

Yes this is so true.

Even though these countries did not have many wars comparing to others

Yes, but having a war break out, within driving distance or even on the other side of a border, is a different environment to live in, than it happening on a different continent.

Yes of course. It is different reality

so it's ok to steal Rolex like you can do in Europe eh?

if rolex is stolen in the first place then you want to talk about who has been stolen instead of going down the black market chain and choosing an arbitrary point to exact justice

so, if i understand the subtext you express, you are saying, ok to steal rolex because it's shiny, but bad to steal someone's car, which might be a bit shiny but they need it to do their work? do you realise how much marxist ideology has penetrated your thinking?

No, but I wouldn't kill someone over a Rolex. There is the moral concept of force being excessive.

it's not excessive force to shoot at someone who just ran off with what cost months of your life to get

how much is months of my life worth

at least one good bullet wound i think

you must have lived a sheltered life and never come close to criminals if you don't understand that they don't listen to reason, only force

I'm grateful, that I leave that impression.

the other problem with the way you are thinking about it is the asymmetry

are you saying that proportional force would be such as finding this person and taking something from them of equal value?

let's say said thief did this by stealth, and caught you by surprise and pulled the watch off you, and then runs off, and they were dressed in generic clothes and had a mask on, and you were unable to catch them

there is a big asymmetry here, justice cannot be served at all, unless someone happens to report they were offered this item and somehow they knew it was stolen, and this is highly specious because most likely the next person who takes possession of this rolex is a fence who knows what he receives was stolen

so, then, thief gets their cut, and fence finds another corrupt scumbag to retail the rolex, and takes their cut

some stupid person who doesn't care if item is stolen or not, buys it and the circle is closed

who is now responsible for not stopping this chain of profit at the loss of one person?

the person, for not shooting at the thief when they had the chance

instead, multiple people have profited at this loss and none of them are going to get any justice at all

how do you propose proportional justice is going to work at all if it doesn't even attempt to stop this chain of corruption, exactly?

sure, probably not right to shoot someone dead for entering your property, but if they refuse to stop heading for your barn to rob you of your prime rooster or bull, then what? at what point is it proportional when not only have they trespassed, they have continued to ignore your warnings, they ignore a warning shot, then if you ask me, they have consented to being killed, and anyone who is willing to trespass and seeks to get away with it is looking to be six foot under, that is consent by action, which in this case is totally valid after at least one bullet hits the ground near them or over their head, they don't stop, they want to die

also, for this reason any opinion you have about dealing with such people, in the absence of experience, should be disregarded, and i question how you have the confidence to express it in the first place