I would very much appreciate understanding this better. No clue what you're actually debating. Tis funny though
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Someone else actually summarized it very simply in another thread that made me see grug's point:
"If your code works, but I can't read it, does it really matter?"
I'm not sure I fully understand grug either though. Ask me anything you need clarification on and I'll see if I actually understand it enough to explain lol
Oh I'm just hoping to better understand the back and forth of utf8 vs ascii (if that's even what was at issue). I have a tenuous understanding at best of what they are, thought was just some encoding standard for characters. That simple a thing seems like it wouldn't cause issues regardless of choice, so clearly missing something. Also not sure what restrictions limiting to ascii imposes, I think.
Maybe this clumsy question will shed light on what I'm missing.
Would zap you for explaining, but you don't zap π’
I used Unicode (UTF-8 specifically) as an example of beautiful/perfect complexity in machine code
Ascii has letters and numbers and symbols but no support for languages that don't use those letters. UTF-8 uses the exact same binary bytes for all those symbols, so if you try to read UTF-8 with software for reading ascii, you can usually at least read any ascii characters in it.
However, this also makes it possible to mix up ascii with UTF-8 by accident. Example, UTF-8 can get into a database that's meant for ascii text and then get broken by conversion or compression or something that doesn't know how to handle the extra characters. One unsupported character can break the whole ascii string if the database compresses it with the wrong compression algorithm. This is a bit of extra stuff for coders to consider and plan around.
Reverse compatibility is perfect though, it doesn't need to be any more simple than this. It's beautiful complexity.
πΈππ€π ππ π£ππ π₯ π₯π ππππ₯ππ π, πππ½-π πππ€ π ππ¦πππ π π ππππππ£πππ₯ π§ππ£π€ππ ππ€ π π ππ§ππ£πͺ πππ₯π₯ππ£/ππ¦ππππ£. ππππ₯ πππππππ₯πππͺ ππ£πππ₯ππ€ ππ ππ©π₯π£π πππ€π€ππ ππ π£ πππ§π€ π₯π£πͺπππ π₯π ππππ π€πππ£ππ πππππ©ππ€ πππ π€π₯π¦ππ ππππ π₯πππ₯
That made sense!
UTF8 strict superset with ascii, and overlaps on shared encodings. "Interpreters" handle this fine as a result, but compression stuff with wrong assumption can cause issues
Also, there is no way to make this cat so detailed and frightening with ascii
⣴⑿⠢β β β ⣦β£β£΄β β β β
β£Ώβ‘β β β£ β£Ύβ β£Ώβ β£·β ⠿⣦
β ⣷⣦⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿β β ⣴⣿
β β£Έβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ύβ Ώβ β
β β£Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ Ώβ‘Ώβ£Ώβ£Ώβ‘Ώβ β β β
β’Έβ£Ώβ‘β β β β’Ήβ£Ώβ‘β β β β
β£Ώβ‘β β β β β β’Ώβ‘β β β β
β β β β β β β β Έβ
Terrifying !
Reminds me of chat spam on streams lol, that shit is hilarious sometimes
Guess I'm a utf8 maxi now.
Thanks for splainin. Here's some zaps
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Thank you for the zaps π€
Sure you have reasons, too long for me to want to understand, but maybe reconsider and enable. It's fun
Will simplify by focusing on main reason
Lightning users lose money sometimes & it isn't a PoW Blockchain like Bitcoin
This makes crypto veterans like me suspicious of nostr apps for restricting tip buttons to lightning
If I pressure a nostr app to add Monero and doggie coin, some folks will find it easier to appreciate nostr
If you just accept zaps, you have nothing to lose? Anyhoo, u do u
I would lose some opportunities to remind people they shouldn't use lightning and should help me add pressure on devs to let go of this grifter bullshit and use real money
You first. Why do you seem to think the trend is reversing now?
Not sure what asking. Was just making joke about where I assumed you were going next. Which is where you lose me. Have seen a few posts of yours on subject. Primarily a graph of price which isn't very convincing, even I would imagine to you, so I assume it's mostly a troll?
Past performance wouldn't mean anything without reason to think it would continue
But we still have almost all the original reasons to think it would happen, plus its #1 position so far
The only point we've lost is that censorship and fascism have increased so much we could be closer to proponents simply being purged
I don't think that's a big enough factor to cancel out a single other major factor, let alone all of them
We still have Bitcoin but newer and more efficient and with a picture of a dog
We still added already being ahead of Bitcoin in momentum but we didn't add being ahead in market cap yet
There's no bear case except the same herd mentality bear case there's always been plus the new "how hard could it really be to audit Monero's supply" argument
Rereading for third time and still not sure what's being said.
>>>>The only point we've lost is that censorship and fascism have increased so much we could be closer to proponents simply being purged
I don't think that's a big enough factor to cancel out a single other major factor, let alone all of them
>>>>
Don't know what above means, more specifically
Like, we used to have the dogecoin subreddit where I could discuss the topic with other wisemen and newcomers could learn from our discussions.
Then the dogecoin community was slowly being taken over by idiots, but I was still there, so you could still say dogecoin was relying on people like me having space to discuss it.
Now the internet is fragmented as fuck and I'm not even allowed on reddit at all, but I don't think that really matters since the market cycles are all herd mentality anyway. Dumb people don't need a smart person like me around to help them get hyped up about a smart idea, they will only get hyped up about it for dumb reasons no matter who's around.
Ah ok, kinda see what you're saying.
I agree you're smart, but none of this really convinces me. Stuff like hashrate or censorship resistance, self custodied distribution stats, ten finality, some good thinkboi pieces from that community... is type of thing that might be interesting to me.
Vague ideas of memetic or community forces, not so much.
No offense, not doing great job writing, multitasking
Not sure what you want to know about hashrate.
Doggie coin is more censorship resistant for poor people as long as the community stays committed to keeping transaction fees low. It will also become more censorship resistant for rich people if enough of them agree on it, the same way they make Bitcoin more censorship resistant for themselves by agreeing on it. Either way, the censorship resistance is pretty weak as long as the richest people are still the dollar printing people. If the dollar printing people aren't really sticking with this censorship resistance thing, then we're fundamentally relying on getting people to switch from soft money to hard money so the dollar printing people wouldn't be in control anymore, and we're fundamentally relying on the world war 3 economy to help us try to show people the importance of hard money. In that case, it probably doesn't matter if we have any of this at all, gold and silver would work fine.
Self custody isn't real, but which coin has the advantage would depend which of these 2 factors is bigger -
* Doggie coin: financial institutions are less likely to handle doggie coin for customers
* Bitcoin: manufacturers are less likely to make doggie-only hardware wallets than Bitcoin-only hardware wallets
I guess doggie coin probably must have a higher percentage of people avoiding IOU-style holding, but a lower percentage of people using hardware wallets.
Then there's also measuring by percentage of coins instead of percentage of people. That gets too complicated for me to speculate on, and meanwhile the reported statistics probably get more detailed and accurate in that perspective.
I'm out of my depth for the rest. I hate the dogecoin community and whatever a thinkboi piece is π€³
The #1 reason to stack doggie coins is so Elon Musk can't have them
Too much id wanna say, too little time to write rn.
Thanks for responses. May have to revisit your line of thinking as there's usually some, perhaps unusual, logic in it, but I may be missing it this time.
Self custody is a real thing. Pretty sure more BTC held that way than doge, but never looked into it. Seems a sure thing given mostly recent retail/Robinhood mania that really moved it.
Anyway, BTC rules and doge drools
Robinhood is just one institution
For every Bitcoin-only hardware wallet there's a Bitcoin-only online casino or something so if you're not only talking about hardware wallets then doggie coin should have the better percentage of users
Percentage of coins again harder to guess
BTC sucks so bad you use lightning, cope harder lol
better add more coin support ecash mints, grug think
ecash work same way. only change needed new asset type. is easy, one new string
user want dog coin user withdraw to dog chain
user no want dog shit coin, user withdraw to sats
mint charge fee for run dog coin node, charge for dump coins
is easier upgrade mints. hard upgrade all nostr