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I’m thinking about what nostr:nprofile1qqsvf646uxlreajhhsv9tms9u6w7nuzeedaqty38z69cpwyhv89ufcqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszxrhwden5te0wpex2mtfw4kjuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgj8j7r8 has recently spoken about in regards to the hodler’s dilemma.

This is the choice to either spend your coins to finance living, or not spend your coins and live “less” than you otherwise could. Which is why he released nostr:npub1ex7mdykw786qxvmtuls208uyxmn0hse95rfwsarvfde5yg6wy7jq6qvyt9 Lending (which I’m super excited about)

Interest rates on this lending product appear to be between 9-13%, which seems high compared to traditional lending, but if you’re a hodler, you’re not a traditional investor, so is it expensive for you?

If Bitcoin’s CAGR is between 50-60%, what’s 13% in interest?

Let’s say Bitcoin’s CAGR works its way down to 25-30%. By then, interest rates should settle between 6-9%, but let’s say 9% to stay conservative.

Still a better option than selling, creating a taxable event, and missing out on future appreciation of your Bitcoin. I think an important thing to understand is that this product is for productive individuals. If you work or have a business and can service the debt payments while living below or within your means, this is an amazing product for you.

My husband and I speak about this almost every night. We’ve completed a full tour of duty in Bitcoin (4-year cycle). In the beginning, we thought we would be offloading some to finance a better quality life once we reached this point.

But now we understand that the more we hold off on certain spending and sacrifice to live as minimally as possible now, each year that goes by, we’ll have that much more financial freedom moving forward.

Now with lending, as long as we continue to live profitably, our savings will keep growing exponentially because we won’t need to cut into 5-8% of our stack each year to cover living expenses like we thought we would.

My favorite part about this lending product from Strike, and others who will adopt this framework, is no credit check. That’s a big double bird from us to the system that tried to control us with their BS communist social credit score.

No, we will not play by your nonsensical rules. Proof of work. Bitcoin is a meritocracy. You get opportunities based on your stack and nothing else. And you grow your stack by providing value to society.

Proof of work. So excited for this bright orange future that is really starting to pick up steam.

Yep. Been running simulations around this. Wife and I started Base Layer Capital LLC to execute it Moved all btc to BLC.

It's dead simple. If you can do loans with no monthly payments and rollovers..like Strike provides. Then the math is simple. Will bitcoin CAGR be higher than your loan APR?

And that's just basics... use the powerless model. Sell when above mid line borrow when below. :)

Yes we really can live on Bitcoin. My wife retires the first of next month.

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Love this. My heads spinning from all the simulations we’ve been running 🙃

I like the product. My concern is you have no guarantee of Strike or anyone allowing you to roll over the loan after the ter. Any time you reach term they can close the loan and you’re out that BTC if you don’t have the cash or can’t raise it elsewhere.

Sure, but why would they if you have been a good customer? And competition is already here and more is coming.

There are no absolute guarantees in life. Only risk management.

They would do it because they want or need your collateral more than they want or need your fiat. I’m not suggesting there’s anything deviant in it. They can just decide that they will not roll over any more and only close loans by taking the correct portion of collateral. Then you’re free to deposit more bitcoin to take a new loan of the same value

And so they close it. You move on. I am not suggesting you do this if you have to go above 10% LTV. Ideally less than 2.5% with 10% max.

I do NOT believe this is a valid strategy for people with less than 10 BTC. In 5 years it likely will be available to those with 2-5...

You can also spread the risk across lenders, but I gotta be honest I don't see your scenario playing out. I see a wide open field and companies competing for business. I see an entire new industry springing up to unlock capital locked in Bitcoin. I think we have blue skies for several years to come. IMO of course...and without doubt it introduces counter party risk. Life comes with risk...

I’m a user of the product and agree with your sentiment, them not allowing the rollover is just one of the “what-ifs” I play through in my head

Why move it to an LLC? What is the powerless model? I've been really interested in Jack's product but would like thorough understanding of how it works and how to execute it properly. Do you have any resources you could share?

An LLC can deduct the loan interest while an individual can't. An LLC also protects it from personal liability.

There are many benefits to the LLC route. My honest advice is spend a few hours brainstorming with GPT. You will have questions as you learn and it will provide answers... just check it all before you start executing!!!