spam is valuable only for spammers

Bitcoin is monetary network for monetary transactions. There are meme and NFT shitcoins for spam.

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Again you fail to see... You are your own worst enemy. You think you know what's best. I simply don't put myself in a position to decide what is and isn't best. That's not my job. You know who gets to decide what's valuable? The person paying the transaction fee. Stop talking from a place of moral authority. You sound dogmatic.

You fail to understand what is spam.

I dont need to understand. That's what you're not getting. I don't get to decide. You don't either. Sorry you don't like that.

Sorry, I decide on my Bitcoin Knots full node what is spam. And Bitcoin Knots filters it for me.

You can do that all you want. It won't stop your knots node from storing things you think are spam after those txs are confirmed. I don't give a shit what you keep in your mempool. You're so dogmatic that I follow you when my position is people should do whatever they want to do. Do you understand the difference?

Spam is not going to be confirmed. It will be filtered out.

If they are paying a high enough fee and it is concensous it won't be filtered out. You're kinda defeating the purpose of censorship resistance.

Spam is not concensous.

84 Bytes.

Which would be larger than your 80 byte default filter...

rounding error ... no one cares about rounding error

We speak about the following scenario.

It's not a rounding error. 84 is larger than 80. Data in OP return is not rounded.... It's counted in bytes. You're missing the point entirely.

See, this is now spam. Lets stop it.

If the mempool being full of "spam" leads to higher transaction costs it benefits L2 development, which also benefits nostr.

You cannot arbitrarily define other people's data as spam, only filter (censor) it. There's also an unquantifiable economic cost to filtering (or not!) txs - anyone claiming to know which is "better" for Bitcoin is either a fool or has an agenda.

This is precisely my position...

So for you JPEGs (of butts and dicks) on the Bitcoin MONETARY network are not spam. You would allow, like any shitoiner, even audio, video and whatever people want. Maybe make the blocks bigger to put MP3s. Its the people data which is not spam for you.

For me and my Knots node, this is spam.

I wouldn't want blocks to get any bigger. Like it or not, your knots node contains jpegs already. 4mb is more than large enough for blocks on L1. I don't think they ever need to get any bigger. Certainly not any time soon.

I welcome all adequate filters and limits that remove spam as much as possible for Bitcoin to continue be robust MONETARY network.

And I respect your right to filter your mempool however the f*** you want to. But you don't get to decide what blocks make it into your node.

Wrong. I do decide with my Knots node. I can set the filters however the fuck I want.

How are you not getting this man. Once a block is confirmed it's confirmed in your node my node and every other f****** node. Whether you like it or not you're not node contains JPEGs right now. You don't even understand the difference between confirmed blocks and mempool.

I told you to read this but it seems you didn't do it.

https://medium.com/bitcoinerrorlog/who-secures-bitcoin-95b19bbcda3c

"What about Miners?

Miners are suppliers of blocks, nothing more. Nodes demand consensus-compatible blocks as a vessel for key reassignment. Miners’ ability to influence the protocol is limited to the wiggle room within the protocol’s magic numbers.

For example, they can limit blocksize if they can cooperate and coordinate over shared incentives, and they can exclude transactions in the same way. But when a miner exercises any power that is detrimental to consensus they approach high risks at a quick pace.

This same dynamic applies to re-orgs, 51% attacks, etc. These attacks are not only risks to miners in that there is a cost in sacrificing blocks or failing probabilities, they run the higher-level risk of being entirely ignored and excluded from extra-protocol consensus, the market itself.

Nodes actually define what a “miner” is."

I'm well aware of how Bitcoin works.

Do these jpegs use up more blockspace or get a free ride?

There are meme shitcoins and NFT shitcoins for jpegs.

There's no difference for the network what data takes up the blockspace as long as there's a free market for fees. Big transactions pay big fees, this is how Bitcoin works.

I know you want to make Bitcoin audio / video straming service but this is not what Bitcoin is for.

Bitcoin is THE Global Most Secure Decentralized Unconfiscatable Peer-to-Peer Scarce Hard Sovereign Freedom Money and Greatest Store of Value

And should remain being that.

No I don't. Once again ascribing motive to me that I do not have.

Nice to hear then that you think jpegs, audio, video and other non monetary data is spam in the Bitcoin monetary network.