And at least lightning is totally custodial, unless you're willing to deal with all the crap that comes with running a lightning node and setting up channels and dealing with channels for closing, etc. I'm almost certain e-cash is also custodial, and any custodial solution is bad. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. No custodial solutions ever. Bad, bad, bad, bad. However, I don't think either of us are going to see the other person's point of view.
