Yup. They're huge man. My pickup has a 6" lift (I didn't install it, and I'm too cheap to remove it XD) and It's still lower than a 2023 all factory. Newer suburbans and Escalade are bigger than Excursions used to be. There's nothing luxury about my 99 XTL. Might as well drive with the windows down everywhere XD

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Yeah and it really kills me when I hear those people at work talking about gas mileage. Like you bought a fucking tank dude. And then they use these smaller engines with a turbo slapped on it and people wonder why it's all going to shit. Values and actions are totally misaligned in this space.

What most of these people *actually* want is something like a RAV4 at the largest. Even the older RAVs were plenty of space for daily driving. I had a 99 Rodeo before the truck and I would still have it had I not been a young dumb fuck at the time I broke it 😂

Yup. This is a long discussion, for a lot of reasons. Mostly regulation again. On the topic of you don't need it, it's true. But when you do need it it sucks not to have it. I mean I guess I'm that guy for my friends who don't have a truck XD

It's nice being able to pull a 38' 12klb camper without feeling it behind you.

I remember working at a thrift store at 18 and a dude bitching us out to not scratch the bed LINER in his full size luxury truck as we loaded in a used sofa.

Those mother fuckers are the types we can all unite to make fun of.

Now that I'm older, I figure he was probably a broke ass truck poor bitch buying a sofa at Goodwill. At least that thought gives me a chuckle

It's takes a pretty sizeable dent for me to even notice 😂

I only care about the long term stuff like rust. Inside the bed, as long as it's hanging on idgaf. It's a tool.

Yeah rust where I live is the major concern. Everything else is meh

Yup. I have to rust treat everything twice a year to keep the thing from turning into red dust.

What are you using?

Well I tried to do a frame on wire wheel and POR treatment, but I only got the outside of the frame done while I was still in school. I gave up on that dream and switched to Fluid Film. I hate the mess it makes but it really does keep stuff together with constraints that most consumers have.

Beyond that I always keep an oil can topped up with 1/2 engine oil and 1/2 ATF and lube joints, and anything that looks like it can hold junk or moisture - pinch welds, drain ports, cab corners, folds that kind of stuff. Sandwich metal like the gooseneck hitch and airbag mounts.

Yeah, sounds like we live in similar regions lol The southern US states are far easier on vehicles in this sense. Sun and heat damage there, but a lot less destructive on the actual safety and function long term. Just looks bad after a long time but who gives a fuck

yeah fuck rust dude. Unfortunately it stays off the road as much as I can help it in the winter. Salt and road treatments be like.

😂 exactly

I'm a fan of woolwax or fluid film.

I think I have woolwax on my list from a previous recommendation.

XD Yeah that's what the liner is for, it IS the protector. I can promise you, that my bed is way too filthy for a sofa. It's kind of my moving garbage can until I clean it out in the fall

Lol same