When you vote in a system you legitimize the system by voting.
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And so, I don't vote in the Indian elections
Kinda like saying when you accept a lottery winning ticket you are legitimizing inequality.
You should exercise what little power you have in this world. To make it look a little more like you.
That is if you think the world would be better if it looked more like you would want it.
It look better if people I don't know stopped trying to involve me in there trying to determine what others and I can do.
This is true, however, I think rational anarchy leaves room for voting.
I am simply trying to build the best world I can for me and my family with the resources available to me. I know that government will likely always exist. I know that their laws only apply to me if I let them. I know that it is in my best interest to make attempts to reduce legal risks of my actions.
That could mean using tor and reshippers for darkweb puchases, it could mean using a vpn when torrenting, it could mean using a radar jammer when speeding, it could mean voting for the candidate that I think will nudge the government toward trying to hassle me less.
I don't believe that legitimizes their power, I never felt they had any just power to legitimize.
A lot of great points made here. I'd agree with most of them, but doesn't participation of energy and time give it power even at a minimum?
Not participating means only the collectivists and authoritarians get a say. That means government gets worse faster and living my peaceful life where I get left alone gets harder faster.
You believe the voting system is illegitimate? There may be certain aspects of our "system" that are not legitimate. (Banking) But that doesn't mean every part of the system is illegitimate.
When you use the word "our" you trying to force me into be a part of it.
So should we not have juries?
This seems irrelevant to my point. I never said we shouldn't have voting of any kind.
Nah... You basically did. Don't back track now with semantics.
But if you vote as part of the jury, you have become part of the penal system, right?
I would agree.
So what should you if you're called?
That's a personal decision. It's easy to not participate in a jury.
Yes, but you would not support anyone taking part in the jury process? You think no one should accept that duty?
I never said anything about whether someone should or should not participate in a system of any kind. I'm not stating whether something is good or bad.
If someone participates in a system they participate in legitimizing said system.
This note wasn't about good or bad or even my opinion of someone's choices.
Duty is also subjective.
No I realise that. I'm just testing whether that statement could ever be generally true and it looks like it can't.
The best we could argue would be, if you vote you're taking part in the political process.
Because the hypothetical jury doesn't prove that you support the outcome or even the overall process.
There's a name for this type of argument but I'm struggling to remember the name. It's a good one though.
I think I see what you're saying, but couldn't you make the same case you made for the jury (technically a part of politics) for a political process (I'm assuming you mean an election)?
I was thinking of the electoral process, yes. It would take a lot of effort to test the whole democratic process. I like to distil arguments into simpler contexts to make sure they work :)
I'm sorry, what system are you a part of? Law applies to you differently?
While the system is legitimate in terms of its ability to affect our lives, it’s illegitimate in a sense because we’re all subjects of involuntary authority.
If the world were to reset I think we should strive for voluntarily governments with fairly easy opt in/opt out mechanisms
Being subject to involuntary authority is human/animal nature.
Ehh animal nature, sure. I’d argue humans have the ability to rationalize & id say that sets us apart as it pertains to involuntary authority hierarchies
It’s probably a spectrum thing. Over time, I think we should strive for 100% voluntary interactions
To be clear I at no point mentioned any system in particular. Please don't assume.
Because of the responses I'm getting I need to reword this to better communicate my point.
When you participate in a system the you participate in legitimizing said system.
Bingo
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That’s why my last vote ever has been in 2019. It took me a lot to get there, I regret it, but I will not make again the mistake of voting, at any level.