So what’s all the hoopla about DeepSeek and why is it breaking everybody’s brain right now in Ai?
I’ve been doing a dive for a couple of days and these are the main deets I’ve pulled together, will have a Guy’s Take on it soon, so stay tuned to the nostr:npub1hw4zdmnygyvyypgztfxn8aqqmenxtwdf3tuwrd44stjjeckpc37q6zlg0q feed
DeepSeek ELI5:
• US has been hailed as the leader in Ai, while pushing fears that we need to be closed and not share with China cuz evil CCP and they can’t figure it out without us
• ChatGPT and “Open”Ai is poster child, eating up retarded amounts of capital for training and inference (using) LLMs. Estimates say around $100 million or more for ChatGPT o1 model.
• In just a couple of weeks China drops numerous open source models with incredible results, Hunyuan for video, Minimax, and now DeepSeek. All open source, all insanely competitive with the premiere closed source in the US.
• DeepSeek actually surpassed ChatGPT o1 on most benchmarks, particularly math, logic, and coding.
• DeepSeek is also totally open with how its thought process works, it explains and shows its work as it runs, while ChatGPT makes that proprietary. This makes building with, troubleshooting, and understanding with DeepSeek much better.
• DeepSeek is also multimodal, so you can give it PDFs, images, connect it to the internet, etc. it’s a literal full personal assistant with just a few tools to plug into it.
• The API costs 95% LESS than ChatGPT API per call. They claim that is a profitable price as well, while OpenAi is bleeding money.
• They state that DeepSeek cost only $5.6 million to train and operate.
• Capital controls on GPUs and chips went into effect in the past year or two trying to prevent China from “catching up,” and it seems to have failed miserably. As it seems China was able to do 20x the results per dollar with inferior hardware.
• The US model of Ai, its costs, its capes structure, and the massive demand for chips has been the model for assessing the valuation, pricing, and future demand of the entire Ai industry. DeepSeek just took a giant dump on all of it by out performing and spending a tiny fraction to achieve it while also dealing with lack of access to the newest chips.
All of this together is why people are freaking out about a plummet to Nvidia price, reevaluation of OpenAi, and the failure of US to stay dominant or even the legitimacy of staying proprietary as it may just cause us to fall behind rather than lead. All after a $700 billion investment was just announced that now just kinda looks like incompetent corporations wasting horrendous amounts of money for something they won’t even share with people, that you can’t run locally, and is surpassed by a few lean Chinese startups with barely a few million.
Discussion
Lmao holy shit the commies are better at capitalism than the US
I think China being commie is a bit of a psyop 😂
They’ve definitely integrated some capitalism into their model lol
Yessir haha
They're more like middle-of-the-roaders/inbetweeners/interventionists
But the Misesian theory is that it ultimately leads to one destination, total socialism:
I am seeing this happen everywhere in the world, not just over there.
Well what about the poor and homeless? What about the sick people? You can’t just do nothing about them. It’s for the greater good. A little violence backed socialism is necessary for a healthy society 🤡
Yeah these arguments get tiresome to address, doesn't it?
One of the biggest collective delusions of our time is to see high-rise buildings, flyovers, drone shows, some widgets and thinking that it's a case for giving a bunch of thugs and goons in politics and bureaucracy more money and power over how we live our lives and use our resources and property, rather than less.
Right! Who will build the roads? If someone doesn’t collectively steal from everyone using violence, then no one will build anything and we’ll just plunge into chaos, murder, rape, theft. You know all those things the government already does 😂
But who will protect people from crime and theft?
No, not you! You can't have guns! Only the people who win popularity contests or pass a test can have them.
Lmao man I saw a video the other day. A cop was pulling over a guy for something. Idk what it was and the guy was very compliant and respectful. The cop asked if he had anything suspicious on him which is a weird question. He said yeah I have a gun. And the cop asked him to get out of the car and surrender it for his safety. What a weird thing to say right? But the guy complied and he stepped out and his retarded partner grabbed the gun from his side and accidentally shot him in the leg with his own gun. These idiots are expected to protect us? We need protection from them lmao
That's wild. Idk about the laws over there but I suppose the extent of the right to bear arms differs based on jurisdiction.
I'm sat here in India figuring out how to acquire a firearm without getting into trouble. It's starting to slowly become one of my top priorities nowadays.