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Bitcoin is money.

And it must be preserved as such. Money is the ultimate tool for distinguishing what's important from what's not. Every civilization that successfully scaled needed to invent it. Those that didn't remained stuck at a certain level, unable to deal with the information overload. Its people became lost in the games of lies and deception, as they resorted to inferior substitutes to serve as currency.

Bitcoin needs to do one thing - be a decentralized ledger tracking who owns how much value, independent of any trusted third party. That's it.

As Bitcoin continues to be increasingly successful, it's understandable that specific people will propose changes to gain more power or to shape Bitcoin to suit their specific needs. However, just because they try doesn't mean they should be allowed to. If we let Bitcoin's purpose become diluted to accommodate every use case, we'll end up pleasing none. Demand for a decentralized, always-available, general-purpose database is infinite. Everyone wants to write THEIR data into such a source of truth.

If the data they're writing represents monetary transfers of value (especially from those who have a lot of sats to those who don't) - we should absolutely encourage and facilitate this.

But if the data they're writing is a personal expression of vanity or a scheme designed to trade their 1 sat for more sats from someone else, we should absolutely call them out. More importantly, we should actively work to prevent such schemes from succeeding and from being built on top of Bitcoin.

If people want to play zero-sum games and build "decentralized world computers", Ethereum already exists. That experiment has run its course over the past decade, and even its benevolent dictator & prophet Vitalik had to admit failure and propose a new five-year plan to make Ethereum "as beautifully simple as Bitcoin".

Use Bitcoin the way you use money in your life - to focus your efforts and separate truths from lies. Help others do the same. Remember: you don't change Bitcoin; Bitcoin changes you. And those wanting monkey jpegs on the blockchain, elaborate technical experiments, personality cults, or thrilling zero-sum games should be directed toward Ethereum, Solana, Cardano, or whatever shitcoin currently boasts the largest marketing and R&D budget.

I thought bitcoin was for everyone to do w/e they wanted with because of freedom....

If people want to put clown pics or long forn text on bitcoin you have to let them unfortunately... or you just look silly championing bitcoin for authentic freedom, while telling others "that's not how you freedom".

Because bitcoin is for everybody.

And everybody has the freedom to do what they want with their bitcoin.

Bitcoin changes people.

And people change things.

(Or my wife would be able to stay in the home we own raise kids and not work still to this day)

The greatest show in all of history is taking place before my eyes. Im Blessed to be alive.

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Bitcoin is money for everyone.

Not everything for everyone.

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Freedom states anyone can do anything they want with their bitcoin.

This would include photos and text on bitcoin, even though I think it's retarded and agree bitcoin should be money.

Sorry you can't champion freedom and also tell others what they can and can't do with their coins though.

You are already not free to do _anything_ you _want_ with your Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a protocol, which means you can only do what the rules of the protocol allow with your coins (e.g. you are not allowed to double spend them).

I do understand it is technically basically impossible to stop _every_ spam/non monetary use of Bitcoin.

But it is within the realm of possibilities, that the majority of users agrees that Bitcoin shall be a _monetary_ database and that changes which enforce this more strongly than now are necessary and feasible.

If that happens, everybody else is still free to fork off and have their own protocol/network for other use cases.

Bitcoin is valuable because it is decentralized. Decentralization is not going to happen if every node runner is an unwitting host of CSAM.

"If people want to use the bitcoin blockchain for storing kiddie porn pics we have to let them, cuz freedom, also its your duty as a bitcoiner to spend your time an money running a node so those same kiddie porn pics and less offensive monkey jpegs can be reduntantly backed up"

Is that pretty much your argument?

No.

People can put what ever they want on bitcoin. It's their bitcoin to do so with.

Your node, your choice.

Your miner, your choice.

Bitcoin is for everyone, until someone does something with their own coins that you don't like.

Bitcoiners: They'll tell you about decentralization, freedom, and then complain about how you use your own bitcoin.

How is uploading a jpeg a case of someone doing something with their own coins? You're conflating censoring transactions with refusing to store arbitrary garbage data.

If it's not someone doing what they want with their own coins, why can I put a jpeg on some bitcoin for like 5000 sats?

Cuz what you're describing isn't a bitcoin transaction, its data storage. Bitcoin is for Bitcoin transactions. If you want to upload your jpegs to the cloud, go to any of the plethora of failed shitcoins that are happy to help you. Meanwhile I'm going to run a node with filters.

Bitcoin transactions, are made of data. Stored forever. Who cares if someone adds more text or a photo.

Leave people alone.

It's their bitcoin. They can do w/e they want with it the same way you can choose to not fuck with their transactions.

Stop crying people are using their freedom to do things you don't like or agree with. Use your freedom to do the opposite. Bitching solves nothing.

Data is just data is a naively shit argument. A jpeg of some abused child is not the same as a UTXO. My bitcoin node is for keeping my personal copy of all past bitcoin transactions because it benefits me, it is not for keeping copies of your jpegs (disgusting or not) because you we're able to incentivise a miner. I don't profit from storing your photo collection on my computer, I don't care how much you want to pay a miner to put non bitcoin transaction data on the blockchsin, I'm not going to help you do it. Why is this a hard concept?

It's not a hard concept. I agree with you.

Nor did I say you have to help others do it.

All im saying is people can do w/e they want with their bitcoin though. It's called freedom.

If others want to put photos or text on bitcoin, who cares. I/ we can choose not deal with them.

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Yes, you're free to spend your bitcoin attacking the network and trying to force other people to store your spam on their computers. And I'm free to make it as hard for you as possible.

Yes, I suppose your free to spend your bitcoin being an inconsiderate jerk by trying to force people you don't know to store data they don't particularly want on their computers. I'm also free to not participate in your attack on the network, I don't have to help you propagate your jpegs across the network.