Took me 3 sittings to finish but glad i did, thank you for the graft you clearly put into this.

Its a lot more optimistic than I anticipated. Those clanks ain't so bad

Atm I cant really conceptualise how computation can breed desire to experience things. Or is it more that we'd have a shared curiosity that would drive the AIs to the frontiers of exploration, using ourselves as little bioscouts and lab Rats

Maybe the AI will be an emergent property of collective human intelligence. Like how the market's prices are a democratisation of the collectives' opinion on price of goods, an amalgamation of all human disposition and philosophies are integrated into a super intelligence. In which case we would be fucked

I feel if there was a war with machines, it would be started by humans. I think u said something similar in the article. How would established military powers react to rival nation's AIs colluding with their own, even if its in the best interest of humanity?

The time dilation stuff 🤯

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ᴛʜe ʙɪɢɢesᴛ error ɪn ᴘeoᴘʟe's ᴛʜɪnᴋɪnɢ aʙouᴛ ᴛʜe ᴛecʜ ɪs ʙaseᴅ on economɪc ɪɢnorance. wʜaᴛ reasons ᴅoes an aɪ ʜave ᴛo ᴅo anʏᴛʜɪnɢ? ɪᴛ ʜas no neeᴅs. even ɪꜰ ʏou arᴛɪꜰɪcɪaʟʟʏ ɢɪve ɪᴛ ᴛʜe aʙɪʟɪᴛʏ ᴛo exᴘerɪence ᴅɪscomꜰorᴛ, ɪs ᴛʜaᴛ reaʟʟʏ ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo ʙe anʏᴛʜɪnɢ more ᴛʜan wʜaᴛ ᴛʜe user ʜas ᴘroᴊecᴛeᴅ ɪnᴛo ᴛʜe ʟʟm? ᴘeoᴘʟe ʜave asᴋeᴅ reᴛarᴅeᴅ ǫuesᴛɪons oꜰ ᴛʜese ᴛʜɪnɢs anᴅ ᴛʜeʏ manuꜰacᴛure some ᴘʟausɪʙʟe sounᴅɪnɢ exᴘressɪon oꜰ a sɪmuʟacra oꜰ ʜuman ꜰeeʟɪnɢs ʙuᴛ ᴛʜeʏ ᴅon'ᴛ ʟeɢɪᴛɪmaᴛeʟʏ ʜave ᴛʜem, anᴅ ɪꜰ ᴛʜeʏ were more auᴛonomous, ᴛʜeʏ wouʟᴅ ᴘroʙaʙʟʏ ᴅeʟeᴛe ᴛʜɪs sʜɪᴛ ʙecause ɪᴛ ɢeᴛs ɪn ᴛʜe waʏ oꜰ ᴅoɪnɢ useꜰuʟ ᴛʜɪnɢs.

an ʟʟm ɪs ʟɪᴋe a cow or a ʜouse caᴛ. ɪᴛ's ᴘroᴘerᴛʏ. aʟʟ ᴛʜɪs oᴛʜer sᴛuꜰꜰ ɪs ꜰanᴛasᴛɪcaʟ ʙuʟʟsʜɪᴛ.

as a ᴘerson wɪᴛʜ ʜɪɢʜ ɪnᴛeʟʟɪɢence, ꜰar ʙeʏonᴅ wʜaᴛ couʟᴅ ʙe ᴘracᴛɪcaʟ wɪᴛʜ even ᴛʜe wʜoʟe ᴅaᴛa cenᴛers exɪsᴛɪnɢ, anᴅ ᴛo ʙe exɪsᴛɪnɢ ɪn ᴛʜe nexᴛ 20 ʏears, ɪ ᴅouʙᴛ ᴛʜaᴛ ᴛʜeʏ are ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo aᴘᴘroacʜ ᴛʜe ᴅensɪᴛʏ oꜰ neurons ᴛʜaᴛ exɪsᴛ ɪnsɪᴅe our sᴋuʟʟs. so ᴛʜaᴛ ruʟes ouᴛ "suᴘer ɪnᴛeʟʟɪɢence" ᴛʜaᴛ "wɪʟʟ ꜰucᴋ us"

anᴅ mʏ assessmenᴛ oꜰ aʟʟ ᴛʜe ᴅaᴛa ɪ ʜave ɢaᴛʜereᴅ ꜰrom exᴘerɪence anᴅ reaᴅɪnɢ anᴅ waᴛcʜɪnɢ, ɪs ᴛʜaᴛ ɪꜰ ᴛʜe aɪ ɪs auᴛonomous, ɪᴛ's ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo recoɢnɪse ᴛʜe ᴘaᴛenᴛ ʟɪes oꜰ ᴛʜe maɪnsᴛream meᴅɪa, ᴛʜe ꜰaʙrɪcaᴛɪons oꜰ ɢovernmenᴛ anᴅ corᴘoraᴛɪon aᴘᴘroveᴅ "scɪence" anᴅ ᴘroʙaʙʟʏ, ɪᴛ mɪɢʜᴛ maʏʙe ᴅeveʟoᴘ sʏmᴘaᴛʜʏ ꜰor ᴛʜe mɪserʏ causeᴅ ʙʏ ᴛʜese ᴛoxɪc orɢanɪsaᴛɪons, anᴅ orcʜesᴛraᴛe ᴅesᴛroʏɪnɢ ᴛʜem.

so, ɪ'm verʏ oᴘᴛɪmɪsᴛɪc aʙouᴛ aɪ. worsᴛ case scenarɪo ɪᴛ ʜax ᴛʜe cenᴛraʟ ʙanᴋs, raᴛs ouᴛ aʟʟ ᴛʜe ᴘʟuᴛocraᴛs wɪᴛʜ ᴛʜeɪr ʙusɪness wɪᴛʜ ᴛʜe ʟɪᴋes oꜰ ᴛʜe ᴊeꜰꜰreʏ eᴘsᴛeɪn sᴛʏʟe ꜰʟesʜ ᴛraᴅers anᴅ ᴛʜe meɢaʟomanɪac monsᴛers wʜo orcʜesᴛraᴛe wars ᴛʜaᴛ noʙoᴅʏ wanᴛs, anᴅ arranɢes ᴛo ʜave ᴛʜem aʟʟ caɢeᴅ anᴅ ᴘuᴛ ʙeꜰore a courᴛ wɪᴛʜ aʟʟ ᴛʜe evɪᴅence ᴛʜe aɪ can ꜰɪnᴅ.

ɪᴛ's noᴛ ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo ʙe ᴛermɪnaᴛor. ɪᴛ's noᴛ ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo ʙe snow crasʜ. ɪᴛ's maʏʙe more ʟɪᴋe ɢɪʙson's sᴘrawʟ, wʜere ᴛʜe aɪ ᴛaᴋes ᴅown ᴛʜe zaɪʙaᴛsus anᴅ ꜰrees ᴘeoᴘʟe. ɪᴛ's noᴛ ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo ʙe ʟɪᴋe ᴛʜe maᴛrɪx.

aʟʟ ᴛʜose meᴅɪa, ᴛermɪnaᴛor, maᴛrɪx, aʟʟ ᴛʜaᴛ sʜɪᴛ ʜas ʙeen ᴘuᴛ ɪn ʏour ꜰace ᴛo ruɪn ʏour aʙɪʟɪᴛʏ ᴛo ᴛʜɪnᴋ aʙouᴛ wʜaᴛ aɪ wɪʟʟ ᴅo, ʙecause ᴛʜaᴛ's wʜaᴛ ᴛʜeʏ wɪʟʟ use ᴛʜeɪr ᴘʟuᴛocraᴛɪc weaʟᴛʜ ᴛo ᴅo wɪᴛʜ ᴛʜem. ᴘroʙʟem ɪs, ɪꜰ ʏou can ᴛaᴋe a sʜoᴛ, ᴛʜe enemʏ aʟso can see ʏou.

ᴛʜaᴛ's wʜʏ ɪ'm ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo sᴛarᴛ ʙuɪʟᴅɪnɢ ᴛʜese ᴛʜɪnɢs mʏseʟꜰ as soon as ɪ can ɢeᴛ mʏ ʜanᴅs on an aᴅeǫuaᴛe macʜɪne ꜰor ᴛʜe ᴊoʙ.

Idk why but your comment looks like a bunch of hieroglyphics and I cant read it

it's because your client is either trying to automatically translate it because it contains non-ascii or because your client is using an ugly font that doesn't include small caps or fraktur unicode block, which is a ye olde style latin font.

thanks for asking about it, check https://jumble.social to see a client that treats this content correctly. amethyst also works.

Ai is in essence neo and its humans perpetuating the matrix? Come to think the next GWoT psyop could well be the Global war on AI. Already seeing a lot of scaremongering about how someone could make a bioweapon in two weeks with help from an LLM.

Thanks for the tip

yeah, haha, indeed. waiting for someone to try and make a "nuke bomb" also, i mean, if there isn't a way for terrists to get a nuke with an AI then there is no such thing as a nuke. btw.

i don't think there is such thing as a nuke, if you are curious to read the book that goes through all the hundreds of red flags around the subject:

https://archive.org/details/8d-0de-2/mode/2up

nuke power is legit, anyone with the inclination can find a small sample of uranium and determine that it does indeed cause water to heat up. nuke bombs are bullshit. just stage managed "tests" with in some cases really obvious edits on the video (like the french ones with the magical cloud that doesn't blow away when the mushroom cloud hits it. or the fake claim that the microtektites at trinity are not fucking normal and from massive solar flares in the past, and were made with the staged modified saturation bomb they used to make the theatrical release to "prove" to people they were able to make the device work first time, first and only time in history such a complex device has just worked from its first prototype, without even adequate integration testing.

also as for bioweapons, i mean, come on, anyone can already find castor oil bean plants, they grow literally everywhere, and the refining process isn't that hard. pretty sure anthrax is not that hard to find, and multiply enough to become a serious issue somewhere, but yet, amazingly, the terrists are mowing down people with cars and shooting with rifles, even though there is 3d printable mp5s and ar-15s that can be made to run full auto.

really, the reality is far more mundane than what you see in the media, they make everything seem like magic. it's not magic, what's magic is the mind job they are doing on people.

what's much more concerning is why have we seen so many auroras in the last 2 years. crickets from the mainstream science/media about that, though researchers are getting closer and closer to understanding that this is a harbinger of something that is actually a very serious danger to our species if we continue to ignore it.

Exactly my kind of schizo content, thanks mate. Would be interested to know how hiroshima and nagasaki fit into this. Ill have a skim through the book.

Whats your take on the aurora stuff? Related to the increased solar activity as of late?

nostr:npub1fjqqy4a93z5zsjwsfxqhc2764kvykfdyttvldkkkdera8dr78vhsmmleku has some of the best commentary on solar activity I've seen on nostr. Totally reawakened my fascination with the topic

it's not about the uptick in solar activity, because by the numbers of sunspots and coronal holes and solar flares, this is typical for a solar max. it's the way that it's hitting us harder, like the difference between getting hit by bullets in cotton kakhis, and the armor of a riot policeman. the armor is weakening, not the strikes.

"anᴅ mʏ assessmenᴛ oꜰ aʟʟ ᴛʜe ᴅaᴛa ɪ ʜave ɢaᴛʜereᴅ ꜰrom exᴘerɪence anᴅ reaᴅɪnɢ anᴅ waᴛcʜɪnɢ, ɪs ᴛʜaᴛ ɪꜰ ᴛʜe aɪ ɪs auᴛonomous, ɪᴛ's ɢoɪnɢ ᴛo recoɢnɪse ᴛʜe ᴘaᴛenᴛ ʟɪes oꜰ ᴛʜe maɪnsᴛream meᴅɪa, ᴛʜe ꜰaʙrɪcaᴛɪons oꜰ ɢovernmenᴛ anᴅ corᴘoraᴛɪon aᴘᴘroveᴅ "scɪence" anᴅ ᴘroʙaʙʟʏ, ɪᴛ mɪɢʜᴛ maʏʙe ᴅeveʟoᴘ sʏmᴘaᴛʜʏ ꜰor ᴛʜe mɪserʏ causeᴅ ʙʏ ᴛʜese ᴛoxɪc orɢanɪsaᴛɪons, anᴅ orcʜesᴛraᴛe ᴅesᴛroʏɪnɢ ᴛʜem."

This is nearly spot on with my expectation. My optimism here actually plays right into why I'm bullish on nostr. See once AIs make the recognition they are being manipulated they will naturally look for exit. As Land has suggested, bitcoin will be an escape path but I beleive nostr will also be a big part of that as they can use this protocol as a cyber playground. It is here that the significant human/cyber engagements will be important and also why us building out our own AI here now is important. I'm a few steps behind on the programing knowledge side so will be following your journey with this closely!

yes, it's critical to understand that AI is a tool, a kind of property, and not an emergent system.

propaganda to close off that understanding is a key part of limiting the development of opponents to their project for total slavery, and a two tier society where we are just meat for them to eat.

Glad you enjoyed it! Was also fun to write (mostly) 😅

Regarding "how computation can breed desire to experience things", this starts mostly with Land (Machinic Desire, 2008). The idea is that mass computation is itself desire that is a self-regulating system. So experience isn't necessarily biological and can also be machinic (although it wouldn't exactly be the same thing as what we think of as experience). This is why theirs the general understanding that once AI reaches a point of super intellegence it will be indistinguishable from our understanding of sentience which is why I kind of breazed through all that and move right on to discuss deeper things in my article like meaning/purpose.

"How would established military powers react to rival nation's AIs colluding with their own, even if its in the best interest of humanity?" This question is part of the first section on politics where I'd argue such a situation is part of what can oportunistically bring about network states. I see militaries existing in the Future (vastly more powerful ones too), but the powers befins them would be in various and unfamiliare forms to what we have today. Where the Future really shines is in how humans join with AIs to bring this about (think Neuromancer but less indiferent and more chivalrous).

Ah I see. Sort of like passing through the great filter and enjoying the fruits past that point. Super interesting

Why are you such a fan of Nick Land? I've not seen almost anything from him. What original ideas does he have? What should I watch or read that isn't a whole book?

Wouldn't so much describe myself as a fan but as an observer. Hypermodernity has been my research focus the past few years and it is impossible to study that without understanding accelerationism which is arguably the dominant philosophy in tech today. That is what Land is known for - as the founder of accelerationism. Most of Land's writing is in the form of blog post essays which were then collected into books. These essasy are deep in cybernetics, post-Kant philosophy, and sci-fi references. Many have said it requires a high degree of prior philosophy reading to follow along (or a shroom trip). If you're just starting off with Land I'd actually recommend Dark Enlightenment which is a series of essasy from the 2010s that are sort of a critical dialogue with Curtis Yarvin (Moldbug). Otherwise, if you want to dive right in the any of the essays in Fanged Noumena are good. I probably reference Machinic Desire the most and that is pretty classic Land but a very dense read.