This is a pet peeve.
Stop comparing every open-source project with a PROJECT TO BUILD MONEY.
Why do you think there are a gazillion shitcoin devs and like 100 Nostr devs and 10 relay operators?
Because developing money pays for itself!
Nostr software and infrastructure has to have a real use case and target market. Nostr has to do something concrete. It has to have a product that is _not itself_.
That is a much harder sell because it requires you to get money for something that is not money.
How about BitTorrent then? Or that protocol limewire/FrostWire used. Was the automatic payment for letting me download movies financial or were all the contributing devs and server hosts really mainly paid in the form of a useful thing to have in the world
BitTorrent is also a coin. Bad example.
Nostr the protocol is free. Expecting every damn thing built using the protocol to also be free is just commie bullshit.
I thought you might bring up how BitTorrent ended up being made into a coin, that's why I also mentioned limewire/FrostWire
And if you'll point out how nobody uses those or anything like them anymore, that's because there's soulseek which is centralized but has run with no ads and very little censorship for years and sucked up all the oxygen in the piracy software sphere - again, without throwing money around or having users who aren't "cheap"
Indeed not everything on the protocol is free, but so far the only thing on the protocol that I've been willing to pay for is nip05.social's email service which the goal is still to migrate away from because it's still email (which seems to be what makes it cost money)
If you're frustrated because you want relay subscriptions to grow into a way to monetize your git project:
I can see you making a lot of well-deserved money by ending up with an ecosystem where free storage is unlimited, but too slow for serious projects, with paid relays having more bandwidth and/or lower proof of work requirements for big data transfers.
Nah, relays are only a running cost to us.
We aren't going to run relays. We're happily renting them all.
We want to rent from specialists, tho, otherwise we're stuck doing the work and it's a lot of work!
Running a relay for commercial customers is not a joke, fr. Yes, that'll cost money. No, we don't mind paying. Yes, that's why relay development will increasingly cater to people like us.
We actually pay. We are Class A customers. And we treat relay operators well because we need them and take them seriously as essential suppliers.
Our customers are not the people who don't pay for relays.
News flash:
They usually don't pay for clients, either.
Just not understanding - you seem frustrated, and it seems like you wish I would pay for relays. Correct me if I'm wrong (if it matters).
If you're simply annoyed I keep starting arguments about capitalism with you, I apologize, you know us commies.
I don't expect you to pay for anything. 😂
You do you.
Say that again with a Monero address and see what happens 😤
Where do I get one? 🤔
I recommend Monerujo for Android or the official Monero GUI wallet for other systems
In the future I'll recommend Garnet for Android which automatically attaches a wallet to your nostr profile the first time you load it up, but it can't be installed alongside Amethyst yet and at v0.2.0 I only feel comfortable recommending the stagenet (play coins for testing) version
My carrot and stick are a more open and uncensorable realm of communication and identity. 🥕
That isn't a marketable angle.
There's actually no significant market for people who want intellectual freedom. There never has been. That's a very niche desire because most people rarely say anything that anyone might censor them for and they only want to read pre-approved stuff. And a lot of the exceptions who want that are commies and then you're stuck being their unloved, unpaid IT serf forever.
Besides, most people don't even use social media.
IMO, social media was the warm up phase for Nostr and relays are about to step up in significance, with the OtherStuff.
I think the OtherStuff, in fact, will finally give value to the social media part, as users will want to just stick to the same protocol to chat and shitpost.
I know that. I'm not in it for the money. I guess that was my point.
Nobody is in it for the money, so long as the work is 30 minutes in the evening and 3 hours on weekends.
We're easily pushing an average of 20 hours per week per dev, for the largest Nostr team, and we haven't even released, yet, or secured a big customer.
You bet we want to make some money.
Not just here for the lulz. I pay rent.
Yes, you are in a different position than I am. This is very much a hobby for me since I already have a good paying job.
Yeah, I gave up my good paying job to do this.
Impossible to build what we want to build without major hours.
