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This is exactly what I am referring to. Anyhow I am talking about Ahla Sunnah ( generally) not the Shia, and I am speaking about legitimate differences of opinions that even the Salaf may have had.

Also, who from the Salaf declared takfeer on the Sufi or Ash'ari branch as a whole?

أنس القطونجي 4mo ago

As for the sufis nowadays, most if not all of them commit shirk in one form or another

Alshafi'i said this about them

" لو أن رجلا تصوف أول النهار لم يأت عليه الظهر إلا وجدته أحمق " رواه البيهقي في " مناقب الشافعي " ( 2/ 207 ) بإسناد صحيح .

As for the nowadays (late) ah'aris, one thing that's known and common is the denial of god attributes

And albukhari made a book refuting those, the books is named "خلق افعال العباد"

He didn't live enough to witness ash'aris, but he witnessed jahmiyya, which also deny god attributes

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Maḥmūd 4mo ago

I think you are mixing things up, no one ever claimed the jamhis to be from Ahlu Sunnah, Major difference between the Jahmis and Ash'aris.

Again, no reference from the Salaf on making takfeer on the sufis/Ash'aris.

Whom ever enters Islam with certainty can not be pronounced a kafir except with certainty. Saying most/ if not all dosent sound too certain...

أنس القطونجي 4mo ago

ah'aris nowadays just deny god attributes like jahmeyya, and anyone who denies them is a kafir

that's what did ibn taymiyyah say about anyone who denies that god is above the throne, which includes nowadays ash'ariyya

(the word مأبون means fu##ed, this is how bad it is)

as for the sufis, i showed you what did imam al-shafi'i say about them, nearly all of them fall into shirk such as worshiping graves and such, and that's easily kufr