Subnostr

Well I started to then I erased it, it's kind of pointless honestly, you have already bought into the narrative. Once someone has done that, it's very hard to change minds. But here you go.

Money printing drove up housing prices much more than immigrants did, giving wall street access to endless cheap capital to buy up property.

Most Americans don't even want the jobs the immigrants are doing, so those jobs will stay empty and we will lose wealth overall as a country.

The notion of America being a nation? The only reason our nation even exists is because of immigration.

Immigrants don't just get jobs, they spend money and start businesses that grow the economy amd create new jobs. We get rid of them, and then our birth rate is fucked, America will become a nation of old people with not enough workers.

The state is your enemy not immigration, without the state's intervention, jobs would be plentiful and housing would be cheap.

You can "secure the borders", do targeted deportations of actual criminals, and make the immigration process less of a kafkaesque nightmare without any need for a police state. But instead you want to just deport everyone at the cost of our rights. Any benefits of doing so are vastly outweighed by the negatives.

makeheroism 23h ago

"Most Americans don't even want the jobs the immigrants are doing, so those jobs will stay empty and we will lose wealth overall as a country."

Literally a talking point taken from mainstream news. And it's not even remotely true. Americans don't want to do the jobs immigrants are doing FOR THE MONEY IMMIGRANTS ARE WILLING TO BE PAID. Those jobs would stay empty for as long as the employers keep the wages that low. "Wealth as a country" oh so you don't view Americans as people you view them as economic units that are interchangeable? Fascinating. So you're a psychopath?

"The notion of America being a nation? The only reason our nation even exists is because of immigration."

A JFK book written in the 50s called A Nation of Immigrants that was funded by the ADL

America is a nation because people SETTLED this land and built it into a country from nothing. People didn't just immigrate here and have a prebuilt country. Are you stupid and a psychopath?

"Immigrants don't just get jobs, they spend money and start businesses that grow the economy amd create new jobs. We get rid of them, and then our birth rate is fucked, America will become a nation of old people with not enough workers."

More mainstream media talking points

I don't want them to be starting businesses. They shouldn't have access to loans or grant money meant for Americans.

I couldn't care less about the economy. I care about the people of this country. If you haven't noticed the entire economy is a rigged game anyway so I don't need immigrants here to play some magical shell game with fake money.

Oh our birth rate is fucked? Oh you mean I won't have millions of anchor babies here that will be magic paper citizens that have no loyalty to this country and aren't raised with American values but some blend of values from this country and their parents homeland? Great. I want less people here.

Why would I look at any of this as a good thing? These are bad things.

"The state is your enemy not immigration, without the state's intervention, jobs would be plentiful and housing would be cheap."

'I'm an anarcho capitalist and I'm here to tell you why we don't need borders or nations. No my views aren't completely immature and live in a fantasyland why do you ask?'

You are my enemy. You are a bad person.

"You can "secure the borders", do targeted deportations of actual criminals, and make the immigration process less of a kafkaesque nightmare without any need for a police state. But instead you want to just deport everyone at the cost of our rights. Any benefits of doing so are vastly outweighed by the negatives."

I want everyone deported because it's way past time. This has been going on for decades and I have no sympathy for any of these people.

Ok and AGAIN you have failed to directly address my main questions from the original post.

There is no good reason. And you didn't even bother to offer one. For why Americans should be forced to compete with the entire world to get a fucking job.

Because there isn't an answer. They shouldn't. They shouldn't have to. That's the answer.

You failed and it's not because I'm bought into a narrative. It's because you're wrong.

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thoughtcrimeboss 11h ago

So I am a "bad person" and the "enemy" because I have different opinions than you, and yet you are the one literally advocating for violence, coercion, and for supporting the actual criminals .

The mental gymnastics you go through to justify evil would almost be impressive if it wasn't so depressing.

makeheroism 11h ago

What "actual criminals" am I supporting?

Notice how you still aren't addressing any of my actual argument.

Yes I think violence is going to be necessary. Do I like that? No. Oh well. I don't get many things I like anyway.

Coercion? Ummm. Ok? So what? Coercion isn't inherently a bad thing. You're just saying it's bad because you view the idea of deporting people as bad. I don't care. I think it's good. You need to be coerced into thinking it's good. You know. Like how for the past 80yrs our country has been coerced, manipulated, and gaslit into thinking it was bad? Like that?

"Justify evil"

Deporting people who came here illegally and tamping down or even shutting down all forms of immigration into any country isn't justifying evil. It's a completely legitimate position and the reality is you just don't like it.

I don't care what you don't like. You are not morally superior to me in any way.

You are a bad person because you want to allow *more* invaders into my country so you can watch gdp go up at the expense of the people who have an actual claim to the future of this (their) country. You are devaluing the lives of the people of this country in favor of appearing sympathetic to an out group of "minorities" (that make up 97% of the rest of the world).

You're doing far more gymnastics than I am even capable of.

You just think you can tell me what I am and it'll hold any weight.

I know what I am. You're being bent into a pretzel by a light breeze.

makeheroism 7h ago

"The state is your enemy" echoing exact sentiments state officials are.

Every single day you people continue to hold these opinions you get more retarded.

Josephus 10h ago

The mental gymnastics you are pointing to is acknowledging that force is force.

The American settlers came to a continent virtually emptied by European plagues brought over by Columbus about 100 years earlier. They did not receive welfare from or in any other way take part in the existing native nations: they built their own governments and societies, homogenous to their native European lineage.

Comparing them to modern immigrants passing 15 safe countries to claim “assylum” here in order to set up fraudulent daycares is pure delusion at best and a lie deliberately calculated to justify genocide at worst.

Ignoring the FORCE involved in the tax funded EXTORTION programs for all these “immigrants” benefits so that they can survive at these slave wages while then claiming that retaliatory force to remove the parasites is somehow “extreme” or “genocide” is deliberately disingenuous.

Pretending like any of the freedoms you keep trying to use to justify your stance exist anywhere BUT in the west where white peoples have been the majority for thousands of years is an ignorance of history. Thinking that you can import millions of people from places that have NEVER valued human rights and that somehow “Magic dirt” or some other esoteric magic will make them value what you value is an ignorance of psychology and genetics.

Claiming that the people pointing these truths out are “criminals” DOES make you the enemy. Regurgitating the DARVO-ed narrative of these things pushed by every mainstream platform, pundit, and politician makes you COMPLICIT in the machine. Projecting your worldview and values onto the whole rest of the human species objectively demonstrates an inability or unwillingness to practice real empathy with other humans that think differently. Immediately having pre-built ad hominems for people presenting facts makes you part of a cult.