have you seen how many people are new to nostr and the moment they join they get harassed with "i tried to zap you and I couldn't, go watch this 10 hours of videos so I can send you 21 sats"

welcoming people with confusing chores is the opposite of the original intention.

I'm not saying that's what's preventing achieving 1M users, but it's certainly making some novel aspects of nostr overly opaque and confusing.

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I believe one problem is that is very hard to even try and work together.

We already have all the tech and specs. At least more than enough.

But everyone is working alone. Which is good on one side, more trial/errors cycles.

But we might be at a point to join forces.

The fact that we do not have something like a discord channel for nostr devs is symptomatic of this problem.

Why Discord and not Flotilla?

Yes whatever works

I mean a discord-like channel.

But it should work :)

definitely need more nip29 clients. I want to write one soon.

I gave a try at Flotilla, but did not have a great impression.

nostr:npub1tm99pgz2lth724jeld6gzz6zv48zy6xp4n9xu5uqrwvx9km54qaqkkxn72 has group chats, not NIP29, but it works great... but it has no desktop app.

Honestly the telegram group for cashu works perfectly. And from there we can assemble to create a Nostr native client. Together.

Thanks for trying out 0xChat!

Actually, 0xChat’s open/closed groups do use NIP-29 groups. And we’ve already released a desktop version! Feel free to check it out

I love 0xChat. Been using it a lot. I have this complaint though.

nostr:note10mg2th34p9y7jnnr7qj370fxcm7hlanf34aeyl8jnx9fl8j4rt8qp6ntp5

Maybe a DM relay suitable for NIP-17 should add the recipient’s pubkey to the whitelist.

nostr:npub1tm99pgz2lth724jeld6gzz6zv48zy6xp4n9xu5uqrwvx9km54qaqkkxn72 group chats are compatible with Flotilla, too, so folks could use whatever NIP-29 client they want to participate.

Like this should work?

nostr:naddr1qpqrywrxxgurjceevc6kvdmz89nrjvpjxgex2cejv3snse35x3nrzephv5mkxvf58ycxxvtz89nxgctrvymxzdesvd3nqe3kxy6njdmyxcpzp8sm6p0dg8n65tw6r6dkfw96fzmfhv86kk3z63p2f9d3h722nvpsqvzqqqyctqm3lpvz

nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn's Nostr Talk space on Flotilla would probably serve this purpose well.

nostr:npub1zeh7paf5w2dxkh6srg76vtufsls93v4u33m2temze9gy0y2gvh4sx08tgg had been doing a great job helping new users get their account properly configured with NIP-05 and zapping. I'm not sure what percentage of new users they're connecting with, but I see their convos with these new users all the time. It's a volunteer effort, but they're doing the work so it might be good to refer new users to them as a matter of protocol. And donate some sats so they can continue zapping new users in their effort to help get their lightning address and NWC configured.

Have you even read my reply? The #1 recommendation is to use Yakihonne, which has an integrated lightning wallet requiring no setup. If you've got a better suggestion, would be great to hear it 💚