Thanks for the reminder! Been wanting to listen to this
Listened to Jack Kruse for the first time today - my mind is a bit blown apart by the whole experience - wanted to create something based on what I learned from his discussion with Rick Rubin https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tetragrammaton-with-rick-rubin/id1671669052?i=1000610678541 
Discussion
Def worth the time - I hadn't been exposed to any of this kind of thinking before and it's got me super interested to learn more