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they get their power *through* the suffering they cause, and the effects are pervasive, and in all of it, is violence and moral decay. most of all, what they want is for everyone to be in the pit like them. they inflict it on their children, perpetuating the mindset of exploitation, and all the children, teens and adults that they abuse for their own amusement and power cravings.

they are also retarding the development of the species, destroying the education of young people, starving research and development that would increase productivity and the common wealth.

they are a disease, and hopefully the cure is coming soon.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Maybe. We see these effects, and where there's smoke there's fire, but the purpose of the fire isn't known to someone who only sees the smoke. Just speculation... But I have a phrase that I say to myself quite frequently : "all true blessings first appear as curses ; all curses appear as blessings." People always choose maximal corruption. I think that should be the foundation of economics - like a version of the utility curve.

I just don't know enough to ascertain their intentions. They could have bad intentions, but God uses them to harden people against evil. Or they could have good intentions but they and everyone else turn everything good into bad by way of their laziness or inconsiderate self interest - corruption. How incredibly good would you need to be to cause only good effects in the world? How incredibly evil would you need to be to cause only evil effects? The world pushes back, pulls things into a middle.

I'd like to befriend one or a few of them to find out what's really going on. I'm not planning on helping with anything horrible... I just can't judge without direct knowledge.

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Kip Ashlynn 5mo ago

People always choosing maximum personal utility is a baked in assumption of economics, but I think it's a flawed perspective to assume a complete lack of altruism.

You could probably be friends with one if you wanted to. The gateway experience tapes teaches you how to make friends. Some of them like the click clicks can be unsettling though.

I don't think they have good or bad intentions necessarily. I think they aren't really thinking about us like that. Like a cat playing with a mouse is having fun and getting lunch, both net positive utility. That the mouse is tortured and killed probably doesn't cross its mind. Many people don't give a thought to the suffering of things down the predation ladder. I think we're probably in a similar situation with them. But no clue what really.

There is something tho. It's a constant line of commentary in psy-gym. There's a fight going on over top of us for us.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Over top in what way? Space? Or something here but invisible? Or just the governments?

Click clicks? Like bugs or crabs? Have you met any?

I think it makes sense that there would be a fight over us. Living planets are probably rare, and living planets with a sentient species already adapted to living on it is probably the rarest thing in the universe. Whatever is out there, the one thing I would rule out is it being uninterested in us.

Kip Ashlynn 5mo ago

I think over top of us like a different layer of reality, a different dimension that we can't reliably perceive with our mundane senses. Idk about if govts are aware or involved.

Yes I think the click clicks are like an insect consciousness. I hear them often when I'm sober right before I go to sleep, it's honestly a big part of why I like a lil bedtime smoke because it's easier to make things quiet. But that's me being avoidant. I recently learned I'm not the only one so that's been kind of cool 🤷‍♀️ but if you hear them too close they can poke at you and I don't like that. But apparently that's why there's lots of crossover with alien stories. They ones I've interacted with like better to be compared to fairies. I've "met" one but it's not like they come up to you and shake your hand in the 3D. But she's been a friend for me since I was a little girl. Sometimes I can feel her friends nearby too but I'm only close with one of them. In the GT program I was part of in elementary school they often had us guessing cards in our partner's hands and I was very good at it because my friend would tell me the answers.