Israel and the US refused to attend the meeting, but it looks like Palestine's neighbors have finally had enough of the pointless chaos and carnage.
They're calling for a ceasefire under a blue helmet mission, with Hamas handing control over to the PA.
I'd hoped they would have turned on Hamas a lot sooner.
They had to wait until everyone agreed that Hamas needs to go. Otherwise, they would be accused of meddling.
We've finally reached the SOMEONE DO SOMETHING phase.
It looks promising. Strange final paragraph:
Despite decades of global support for a two-state solution, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres admitted this week that the prospect is 'farther than ever before'."
Two states requires Israel to assume that Palestine won't just return to being a training ground for the next phase of a Forever War.
Which it probably will.
Maybe, Netanyahu et al are nutters... But it'll be harder and Israel risks alienating itself if all these other countries recognise Palestine as a state.
You misunderstood me.
War against Israel is a permanent part of the Palestinian culture. It's their main reason to exist, as a society, at this point. Any Palestinian state is bound to start another war.
That's why nobody wants their refugees. You let them in, and they just use your country as a base to launch another war with Israel.
I fully misunderstood.
Why do you say that war is a permanent part of their culture? Perhaps I'm being naive but I'm hopeful a regime change in Palestine, and eventually Israel, will change the dynamics.
Netanyahu's government did fund Hamas (https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/), and Hamas were voted in by the previous generation of Palestinians (median age of 20 in Palestine means the current population weren't of voting age when Hamas came into power in 2007).
These facts alone suggest future times under different leaders will be very different.
There will be a lot of anger towards Israel, which perhaps will create more extremists in Palestine, so this could domino into effect what you stated about perma-war.
Cuz I'm German and I know that it took decades of massive occupation and heavy, active deprogramming, for the Allies to civilize the Germans. Had to literally breed and propagandize the war out of them, which took nearly three generations.
Palestinians are even more warlike and resentful, and they have no memories of a high, advanced, peaceful civilization to fall back on, unlike the Germans. That's something that is fundamentally different between them and their neighbors. They're more like the Afghans or the Somalians.
Also, it's a region completely overrun by angry young men and women who breed like rabbits. That low of a median age, and that high of a fertility, means perpetual war. Either at home or abroad. I don't think there are any historical examples of such a demographic being peaceful.
But is it the palestinians turning always against israel or the opposite? I mean, in Israel women join the army, they have a big percentage of gdp for the army etc. All of this is just to defend themselves from the aggresive palestinians? Sounds like a joke, no?
Not really. Look how much money NATO burned fighting goat herders with Kalishnikovs.
If you don't want your soldiers to die, but you're fighting a ground war amidst civilian non-combatants in a foreign country, with journalists live-filming everything you do, war is mind-numbingly expensive.
So far they were killing Gazans and expected that they will turn against Hamas. Maybe we are at the phase that the try another plan.
Yeah, Hamas is still very popular. Most Gazans want the war to continue.
I don't think that they want war. But i cannot speak for them. I think though that they don't want to live under occupation and they want back their stolen lands
Same as the Germans after WWI.
the germans were all forcibly gathered to germany and they shipped all the european jews to palestine after WW2. sure, there was some of both already in these destinations before then but after, there was a lot more. the entire situation was forced on the people as part of the treaty of versailles, iirc that's where they set it up.
because it was always planned that later on there would be this war. so they set it up so it would inevitably happen.
my own family my father was of a religion that forbade them to be soldiers, so they were shipped first to korea to serve in army hospitals and then he was shipped to indonesia to work there, where he met my oma.
and then there was a muslim uprising in indonesia, and they ended up in australia, where my mother and father met working in a hospital.
the pigs in charge love to just shuffle people around like chess pieces. it's disgusting.
Yes, everyone has forgotten that Germany used to be much bigger. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was also sprawling.
and so much of that history has been all but erased from the textbooks too. you have to look hard to find it.
Nah, I'm Sudetendeutsche und still regularly visit cousins in Egerland.
yes, the history still lives in the memory of those who survived. but they don't teach you it at school.
also, yeah, i know that my dutch relatives a bunch of them live in Bonn, because i met a dude in prison who when told him my last name said he knew people with that name in Bonn. not many people in the world with my last name. maybe several hundred, so almost certainly no more than 3rd or 4th degree from my family.
the family was always historically located in the region of modern east netherlands/west southwest germany. so, similar thing.
families tend to cluster in regions, it's what the original meaning of the word "nation" was - a cluster of related people. there's a lot more traveling around these days because of jurisdictional arbitrage though, governments were a lot slower and less aggressively, and unitedly, crossing people's redlines and driving them away, in the old days. since the 20th century, the speed at which governments have unified in blocs and had population bleed has accelerated.
Go forward, ask Silberengel how many (actually few) family names exist in the german black wood forest 😁😁😁
In Bavaria and other regions they startet to add the location in the village to the family name to have at least some variations, its like 'topsmith' 'bottomsmith' 'frontsmith' 'backsmith'. They actually all have the same name, one big familly.
Yeah even Poland used to be a big empire not so long ago
yeah, all of them were. bulgaria, serbia, france, spain, italy (heh), germany, austria, mongolia, china, egypt, probably czechs had one at one time too.
really it was just generations of dynastic professional bullshit artist murderer baby eating cunts moving from one place to the next wherever the booty was.
Post-apocalyptic footage.
Generations of people born under conditions of strife and struggle and extreme stress so much they’ve been conditioned by it to the point where they’re almost alien. How will they ever be rehabilitated ?
Oh, that's easy. We import them all to the EU.
The same as every year, Finrod.
The national court of asylum rights in France has ruled to grant all Gazans automatic asylum status if they ask for it.
All these judges will be stripped naked and whipped in the streets as a public humiliation ritual.
The spirit of the enemy must be broken.
There are sectors of the Israeli gov that couldn't care less who's in control of the strip. Their stated goal is occupy and remove all Palestinians from their homeland. They look at their neighbours, they look at their nukes and think "Cool bro, come and do something about it"
Israel wants control and will continue to bomb and terrorize whoever gains control of Gaza and the West Bank.
