No nation can be civilized without the death penalty or some other type of execution mechanism.
Civilization requires red lines.
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It does, I just don't trust the people who create the red lines.
I think our red lines in Texas have been sensible. It is also difficult for prosecutors to get the death penalty. The Governor is always sensitive to public opinion.
That certainly captures the present moment.
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Why couldn't the red line be imprisonment? I understand and recognize the strong difference in deterrent between the two but at what cost. Trusting the government to get things right in a situation that's one and done doesn't inspire much faith for me.
1. Expensive.
2. Familes deserve swift justice.
3. Yes, today's govs are hopelessly corrupt, making this a thorny issue.
The corrupt government also makes it more expensive to execute than if we just locked them up and fed them. Lawyers profiting the whole way for their time. Looking at areas of the world with less civil rights will certainly be cheaper but again at what cost to the liberty of the people.
This is where I hit my thorny side of not being for execution as well. I can never imagine someone harming someone close to me and watching them live their life. Knowing they'd be locked away would be a semblance of Justice but that's never going to whet a family member's desire for revenge.
Interestingly enough I romanticize people like Gary Plauché for chosing to forego their own civil liberties for times they feel Justice still needs to be served. I can certainly understand the need for Justice but having the State be the applicator of such means will never sit right with me.
gets tricky when you have a corrupt government.
I don’t have a problem with the death penalty but oppose delegating to any government the power to determine when it is just.
Who then gets to determine it?
Good question, brother
Christ or chaos
There’s a three novel series by a guy named Doug Casey, each of which can be read as a stand alone book although each has the same main character. The third one in the series - “Assassin - High Ground” published in 2020 answers the question better than I can.
Death to pedos and rapists
I don't make the rules
Either the state uses their right to lethal force to enact justice or the people eventually remove the state layer when violence is required.
Capital punishment is more on the barbaric side. Can the uncivil be used to promote the civil? Mercy is civilized too. Maybe start there.