I have to disagree here. If we ever want hope of wide nostr adoptation by normies we have to make the experience as simple as possible for them. Having to go out and get a separate wallet amd then figuring out how to hook it up to an app is not simple. Just have both options: create a wallet on the app or hook up an external one.

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Nostr as a technology can function independently of bitcoin.

It better if it wants to grow

Agreed. Unfortunately it's probably going to require fiat for end users, at least for a little while. Some of us have been discussing this for a while now.

Can just use stablecoins, as a fiat proxy.

Isn't that just fiat with extra steps?

It's foreigner-friendly fiat, as they don't have USD banking, but anyone can buy USDT.

Nostr.wine accepts Bitcoin and credit cards or Cash App. Ahead of the game.

They work with Stripe.

Love that.

It's legit the only paid relay you can onboard someone to, who doesn't have a LN wallet.

I was not aware of this. Thanks!

You know tiktok, right? Normies use it by the millions. Well, it's got a thing where you pay fiat fir these tiktok poins (forgot what they're called) and then you spend those points to give the creater who is hosting a live cool-lookimg "gifts" (animations that pop up on the screen). The creator can then exchange those gifts for $.

My point is that normies already use the "zaps" (gifts) and sats (points) concepts. You just havd to make it seemless for them. Tiktok does it. Nostr apps can too. Primal does.

I've never used it.

Probably for the best. It's addictive and censored to all hell. You know algo-speak like saying "unalive" instead of "kill" or "die" or "grape" instead of "rape"? Pretty sure Tiktok is what made it popular. Ppl have to substitute words to not get their videos shadowbanned for using them. Comments are horribly censored too. You can no longer say " Free Palestine" without it being counted as "hate speech" since tt came back from the ban (sort of). It's the worst censored social media app of them all

They're sister tech, not conjoined twin tech.

I was going for mutually exclusive but I like your analogy better XD

I was thinking of a modular synth. Nostr is made up of modules, you can set up a rack with however modules you want. Zapping functions as a module inside a client module really, but still ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

He's promoting the Primal architecture, where the Lightning wallet is the client and Nostr is a module within that. (It's actually the other way around, but the marketing suggests otherwise).

Oh! That's kinda weird. Yeah, I don't think normies would be into that.