does BitPay not go under the first option (am rerard, just wanting to learn)

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Technically it does, but that’s kind of a cop-out as the seller still gets fiat. And it requires an on-chain top-up. BitPay never bothered to add Lightning, but they did add shitcoins, so I don’t use them anymore.

yeah, but you can’t really force anyone to become a receiver of something that they don’t want to process 🤷‍♂️

sad, but it is what it is

I want to find someone who actually accepts bitcoin to sell me a bitcoin poster. That shouldn’t be so hard. 😂