Nostr Web Client

I do not see it as the intention. Favor comments and reposts seems to be what people are doing as a reaction

Sure, but that comes at a cost.

Say 10 people now reply with 🤙 instead of a the reaction. You can’t easily summarise that (like reactions do). Did they really ‘reply’ when using a 🤙, or really did they really just gesture?

Does this mean my notifications now need filtering of ‘reactions as replies’? Do I need to look at each reply or 🤙, as an individual response?

I’d wager more toward this being a per client app query/display setting for an account, as opposed to a global ‘don’t send me reactions’ preference. Without wide adoption anyway, you’ll still receive reactions - which you can just skip querying for kind 7 in your favourite apps.

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brianco 2y ago

🙃

Quentin 2y ago

Exactly! That's what freedom is all about! 😀

Quentin 2y ago

Nice to meet you #[3] 🙂

Account deleted 2y ago 💬 2

I understand, mostly. One thing I did not expect was people reacting fairly strongly to not being able to send the like. If I do not wish to see it, why should you get to send it. It’s an extra note going to relays and I have decided I want to remove that from my footprint.

Of course, I am trying all this with Onlyzaps off 🤷‍♂️

Blake 2y ago 💬 2

I can’t speak personally to being upset that you can’t react to some people. You can react in other apps, that person likely just won’t see it.

I kind of see the new Damus approach as being like “comments are disabled for this video” on YouTube - but for reactions. I get an author may not want to deal with controversial comments below their content. Or even the time to read them - however other people will.

I guess being able to react, vs having it removed from other peoples app, experience is the key frustration.

Should any content be free from being able to respond to in an open web? Should a Nostrpedia page about abortion be able to be locked or reject replies/comments/whatever?

It’s complex, hard, and probably always a gray area.

Quentin 2y ago 💬 1

I don't really see a problem if someone doesn't want to receive likes. You can disable the notifications, I can also assume an option on your side not to show it at all.

But, done this way, you can force the whole protocol and all other apps to remove it, I don't like that.

I don't like forcing, it's like when you mute someone is perfect. I think the current system is more convenient, you just don't hear them but you don't restrict their freedom to continue trolling 🤣🤣

jimbocoin 🃏 2y ago 💬 3

Currently, the reaction feature is mostly used for likes, but it's not limited to that. Here are the top 30 reactions my node has seen in the last couple of days (with counts):

["+",259104]

["🤙",141352]

["⚠️",1720]

["😆",911]

["🖖",504]

["❤️",433]

["😁",401]

["🔥",324]

["🍔",248]

["💮",196]

["😭",180]

["🤔",125]

["💥",117]

["🥂",109]

["⚡️",105]

["🤣",104]

["😩",96]

["👽",72]

["🐾",70]

["😮",69]

["🧐",68]

["🍮",58]

["👍🏻",54]

["😃",52]

["👑",51]

["🦴",48]

["👀",48]

["😄",45]

["😂",43]

["💯",37]

Account deleted 2y ago

Thanks for the info.

corndalorian 2y ago 💬 1

Which client is giving users the hamburger reaction as an option? I need it. 😂

matata 2y ago

nostrgram.co/?nows=1 or snort.social / semisol.snort.dev

jimbocoin 🃏 2y ago 💬 1

Looking at the data in my node, here's the list of "client" values seen in all reactions (kind=7 notes) my node has seen:

astral

BIJA

coracle

gossip

nostr_console

Since well-known client implementations like Damus aren't listed, I take this to mean that it's uncommon for client applications to tag their reactions.

To make a long story short, I can't tell from the data alone where the hamburgers are coming from.

corndalorian 2y ago

😂🤣

Account deleted 2y ago 💬 2

All I know is that it is good to see I spark a debate. It’s an optional feature people can enable to test if wished.

It’s good, the community feels invested. This is key for when the cat is out of the bag and potential of Nostr starts to really show.

When we can start to say more and more “sorry Sir, for that better use Nostr. Can’t really do it on legacy web. No need for shitcoins there”

Quentin 2y ago

“No need for shitcoins there” I love it 🤣🤣

jimbocoin 🃏 2y ago 💬 1

Because the reaction ("like") isn't just for you (the note author). The reaction is also for the creator, to be able to go back and see the things they've liked in the past. The reactions may also be aggregated to provide signal to other observers.

Currently, "+" and "🤙" are far and away the most popular reactions, but they're not the only ones. Here are some others that my node has seen in the last couple of days (with counts, to show relative frequency):

["+",259104]

["🤙",141352]

["⚠️",1720]

["😆",911]

["🖖",504]

["❤️",433]

["😁",401]

["🔥",324]

["🍔",248]

["💮",196]

["😭",180]

["🤔",125]

["💥",117]

["🥂",109]

["⚡️",105]

["🤣",104]

["😩",96]

["👽",72]

["🐾",70]

["😮",69]

["🧐",68]

["🍮",58]

["👍🏻",54]

["😃",52]

["👑",51]

["🦴",48]

["👀",48]

["😄",45]

["😂",43]

["💯",37]

Quentin 2y ago

Very good approach! I like the way you look at it.

The likes are for oneself too, of course! I feel that we have taken a wrong step, there is nothing wrong with that, but our responsibility (in my opinion) is to make self-criticism and evaluate if this change makes sense or not.

My point is the following, have we had the opportunity to give this opinion before? Maybe yes, but I updated yesterday in a routine way and all of a sudden I saw something very disruptive.

Was this discussed somewhere before? I don’t know 🤷‍♂️

Tony 2y ago

🤙