that is the problem with centralized social networks, by having someone behind the page, you can go to that person and force them to implement things they did not want. and the way clients and relays work, in theory makes it difficult to apply those laws, a client can not even store anything and only retrieve messages from the relays, even if a client there is someone behind it, it would be of no use since that if one wants to evade that, they could only switch to another client
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This idea that nostr clients are just these free-floating things is pervasive but not true at all. You've got the funnels of Apple and Google stores, and the domain registrars, and ICANN, and ISPs, and CDNs, and cloud media hosting, and so on. Chokepoints right and left.
Yes! People do like to talk about Nostr like we are running a giant LAN party or something. Decentralization is a spectrum, we should be ok with that.
Yup. Also a decentralised system is only as decentralised as the least decentralised critical element in it. If the least decentralised critical element is in fact pretty centralised then it's just decentralisation theatre, adding complexity and slowness for no real gain.
furthermore, a problem that is not yet talked about by 'nostr' is that many, not complicating things too much, many decide to only use the relays and servers that are normally on all clients, causing only those relays to gain power, apart from that many are using cloudflare and third-party servers causing the same thing many don't even remember how cloudflare took control of a mod page, forcing them to delete everything they didn't like, so there was still a lot of dependency.
Worst part to me is the dependency on GitHub
But this is where interoperability is the escape hatch. GitHub is not so much a dependency as it is a choice. There are tons of choices.
Why are people trying to put *inside* of nostr instead of encouraging self-hosted gitea or the like.
There aren't tons of choices for where to download most apps from.
I don't see a point to something like gitea. If it was going to defeat Microsoft, it probably would have by now.
App stores are definitely an issue.
But in terms of Microsoft, who cares about their size, if you have an alternative then your well being does not require them to be defeated.
How can you want to move away from GitHub but somehow see it as not connected to any impact on Microsoft Nostr apps won't all have GitHub repos and often show the GitHub logo on their homepages and stuff when we get something good enough to fuck up Microsoft. Because they'll be using the new good thing
I'm moving to Gitworkshop and using github as my backup.
and that is why all the time I am saying that it is necessary to make tutorials so that a person can host their bloossom servers, set up their own relays, since if they are not encouraged to set up their own services, we will continue in the same cycle of giving power to something only to then go to another.
If we get a radicle fork / clone with better UX to promote seeding, that should solve it. nostr:naddr1qq78g6r994nkjargw43z6cm4wfjj6unpv35kxmr994cryupdw3hhyttwdaehgu3dd4hkuetjdukhqun0dfjkxapd0fuk6mm8v4hqygrhwmpj6jcar69l92tt40458tv6mc2hh5mrmzdc07mrumc524vg3qpsgqqqw4rsc69a68
most likely, once you have your own servers, now instead of going after the owners of the page, they will now force ISPs to be in charge of regulating or cutting off access to a specific user.