You're thinking just in terms of proteins and fat. Your body needs the excess carbs (literally from anywhere, soda or cheeseburgers) to fuel ATP production in order to be able to fuel / repair the muscles. If you do not have the excess carbs you will not product ATP and you will not repair and build the muscle.

Again this is your straw man tactic trying to say "in your logic 5000 calories is better than 2000 calories" which has never been the argument. This is just a feeble attempt to "win" instead of learn.

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If you don’t have the carbs as fuel then your body will convert fat into fuel to do that process. That’s what I was trying to say about converting fat into muscle.

I’m not strawmanning I think you’re moving the goalposts. You said mass gainers work. When I was on mass gainers I was easily getting over 5 calories. So I should be growing more muscle then right? Okay so if I push it to 6k calories, more muscle right? Or is there a threshold where you no longer see muscle gain and it’s all just fat? Make it make sense