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"In nature nothing is created..." Lavoisier. Theres no evidence that anything was created, ever. Cause and effect are terms to the transformation of what exists, theres no logic in associate cause and effect to the creation of something.

DRE 1y ago

If there was no evidence of intelligent design (DNA, laws of physics, etc.) and it was just blobs of matter floating around that would be a persuasive argument. But just like when I see a message written on the sand that says “bob loves mary” I don’t think it was randomly created by the waves, but rather a message created by an intelligent being.

But even if one is obtuse enough to dismiss all that, at best one can say we don’t know if there is a creator or if everything always existed. But one can’t claim like you did in the original response that there is no creator

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Ranger Loki 1y ago

Theres nothing in the universe like "bob loves mary", nothing.

I was responding you, not explaining how I can prove that god doesnt exist. I can, if you have courage.

DRE 1y ago

Of course there is. Look around. We are part of the universe last I checked. But even if you selectively exclude humans from what can be considered evidence of intelligent design, we still have millions of life forms where even the simplest of them have much more complex messages in their DNA than “bob loves mary”

Ranger Loki 1y ago

You already read about junk DNA? Or Endogenous retroviruses?

61bb909b... 1y ago

Assuming there is junk DNA ( https://magazine.washington.edu/feature/no-such-thing-as-junk-dna-researchers-say/ ) that doesn’t imply that the rest of DNA isn’t far more complex than a message about Mary. It’s literally language, a blueprint how to make beings.