Fuck, had my communist socialist marxist daughter over for dinner. It's so fucking difficult... Finally divulged into politics and I said I voted for Trump only to free nostr:nprofile1qqsq3ppke5pel7ysw3rgl5e8lt8ky7zwavm5jrs2zx9tnu2vn5nydnqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpzdmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ue0qy28wumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvuhsea9c9u and she got upset and left. And she had no clue who Ross was.

This is the problem with the communist socialist.... This are fucking clueless.

About to say good riddence. Live your life, hope your stupid government takes care of you, as your not getting shit from me. How's that. I didn't work my entire life to support communism.

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As someone from former socialist country I'd like to tell her, careful what you wish for, it's really a terrible system, much much worse than anything happening today in the "capitalist" west. The revolution also likes to eat it's own babies and when that inevitably happens, it's too late. For generations.

I don’t think it’s healthy to let family ties get severed by politics. You can’t control how your kids think as they get older, but they’re still your flesh and blood, and that’s all there is in this life.

But what he can do, if he is not one doing severing?

Family can hurt you worse than anyone else

Yeah it is a mind disease. My cousin's sweet, gifted daughter dropped out her senior year of college due to her BS communist training (that he paid for). She has come back around after a few years. No sense talking to them when they are indoctrinated

What a shame what institutional programming has done to people's minds.

Any ideology that turns families against eachother is rotten at its core.

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How would she have reacted if you had voted Trump for Peanut 🥜 the Squirrel 🐿️?

We cannot transfer a lifetime of experience to our kids, they need to go through their own journey. It reminds me of 28 weeks later, the husband said to his wife, follow me and she went the other way..

Have you tried just showering her with love? A lot of people, myself included, say and do a lot of stupid things when we are young. Young people are more susceptible to programming, let her be wrong for a while and love her anyway. Did you do everything perfect, as a parent? Homeschool, pass along freedom mindset, teach self reliant skills? Chances are you made a mistake or two along the way. Give her a chance to make her mistakes and feel loved anyway. The same way kids love parents, despite our mistakes.

Maybe you do need some distance or to set healthy boundaries. A lot of young women go through a phase where they are just mean. They will say anything they can to hurt you. It’s a normal part of development. Nature designed human parents and children to separate at some point and sometimes it’s painful.

One of my daughters and I had a very difficult relationship from the time she was about 15 to about 30. After a couple of years of fighting I developed a strategy to protect myself while still loving her. Whenever she would start attacking me I would say something like “I love you, if you ever have a real emergency you can always call me,” Then I would get in the car and drive away until she went to bed or left the house once she was older.

This takes patience and practice. You are the parent and your job of leading by example does not end just because your child’s age is a certain number. You will screw up, just keep trying. Don’t get discouraged or frustrated. If this doesn’t work, try new things. Whenever an approach I tried would fail I would say to myself “What can I do that protects me and still allows her to love me?”

It's been a challenge for years now. She's 32 and lost her mind in college. There is no talking to her about any subject anymore. We do distance ourselves maybe get together once a month.

Once a month is a lot more than some parents talk to their kids. I think there’s still hope!

Is there really no subject you two can talk about peacefully? I’d be surprised.

If I were in your shoes, next get-together, I’d ask her what SHE would like to talk about. If it’s stuff that deliberately picks a fight, “why don’t we try figuring out stuff we agree on for a while?”

Every relationship has two sides. What can you learn from her way of seeing things?

The curious mind will always find something. Lead by example. Show real interest to her beliefs without discarding everything from the get go.

I see a lot of critique of capitalism, but then people have all different takes on what it means for them.

I also belief that only strong individuals can form string communities. Both individualism and collectivism are necessary. Mutual respect gets you to a new place as one begets the other. Especially if we build on nonaggression philosophy at the base of every interaction.

Without the right foundation everything will crumble down sooner or later.

When I talk about the collectivist side I mean the citadel ideas, crytpo communities and alike that are voluntary based but leverage ones own capacities to create the live you want to live.

the communist socialist marxist education department has poisoned all of the children's minds, and the tech industry has been doing it too, to the point where it's starting to show in the declining quality of software, and the diminishing competence in people coming out with a fresh CS degree, totally lacking any kind of intellectual rigor. it's awful.

it's the one thing i don't regret about having failed to find a wife and start a family, even though i'm 49, is i never ever wanted my kids to study at government schools. the pigs that were in charge 30 years ago when i went through actively sabotaged my prospects for getting into university, with a social credit score system, my english teacher punished me hard for actually wanting to write a book report about Nineteen Eighty Four. Can you imagine that? the bitch was butthurt that i never did any assignments he set me on time because they were boring as fuck. the one moment he gets me excited to actually write about literature (and i was an avid reader back then) and he slams me with "we aren't doing that *specifically* because you asked for it.

i can't imagine what a bolshevik training center is any school now almost anywhere in the world. i just hope i can manage to finally find the wife and have the family and i swear to God i'm not registering those kids. the system will collapse soon enough, we are definitely to late 80s stage of development of the socialism of most of the western world at this point. New York is about to get local council run shops and rent controls, and have voted in a outright red as fuck mayor. the businesses are in a panic now because this will totally destroy all business in the city.

oof.

i don't even know if i can stand up to this shit, it's so embedded in the pop culture now, every time i walk into a populated area anywhere i feel sick to my stomach at the vibes, the food that these commie regulators have permitted, make me sick, and the people are unbearable these days. there is no souls behind those eyes anymore.

Before bitcoin I would have had an argument even with someone I love because back then, I felt like they were enforcing their philosophy into my life.

With bitcoin, I feel like I have a lifeboat so I'm more in peace with it. They will have to face the consequences of their choices and then learn from it.

My younger sister was drifting into left-radicalism.

She joined the military and was injured in training. She was confined to a bed for several weeks, and gave us the address at a military base so we could send her books.

I sent her "The Invisible Hook" (a book which uses pirates to teach economic ideas).

She doesn't seem to be a left-radical anymore. She also works for a living now, so I can't take complete credit, but I think the book really did make a difference.

My experience has been that communists are either not interested in reading "theory" or they read a ton of "theory". I don't yet know of a way to reach either group consistently, but the ones who read you might be able to get to read a book by Ludwig von Mises or some other economist. Per Bylund's new Primer and Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson are great introductions to proper economics.

If the communist is only willing to address direct critiques (which IMO they should be more interested in but will probably find less persuasive than if they buit up a coherent view of economics), I would strongly recommend Mises' Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth and/or Bohm-Bawerk's Karl Marx and the Close of his System. Mises also gave a serious of lectures available now as "Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction".

Free book links:

Mises:

Human Action (Mises' masterwork, and quite a hefty tome)

https://mises.org/library/book/human-action

https://mises.org/library/book/economic-calculation-socialist-commonwealth

https://mises.org/library/book/marxism-unmasked-delusion-destruction

https://mises.org/library/book/omnipotent-government-rise-total-state-and-total-war

https://mises.org/library/book/bureaucracy

I don't have a free link (outside of libgen) but I also recommend Mises' Liberalism in the classical tradition (if your daughter identifies as a liberal).

Bylund's Primer:

https://mises.org/library/book/how-think-about-economy-primer

Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson:

https://www.liberalstudies.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Economics-in-One-Lesson_2.pdf

OK, but what is she refuses to read?

I think you just have to be patient and ask questions that inspire critical thinking. Where did all these factories come from? How do the factory people figure out what to make? How do they figure out whether to use steel or aluminum or titanium?

Some pop economics might be helpful here, such as Friedman's 2-minute video rendition of "I, Pencil"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws

Also, while I don't endorse everything in Rand's philosophy, I do endorse her short novel "Anthem" which is basically a criticism of collectivist mediocrity and in praise of indiviudal achievement.

This purports to be a free book link, but IDK how much you have to sign up for:

https://aynrand.org/novels/anthem/?nab=0

Don’t say good riddance, you will regret that for the rest of your life. Just continue to be there & one day something in that ideology will bite her & she will be willing to entertain that in this one realm maybe you might be right. That’s your crack & you can grow from there. Not to mention there may be grandkids eventually & you’re their only hope.

These are just about as hot button as issues get. Not the kind of conversation to have with family in a “I’m gonna prove my point dammit” frame of mind, but in a “listening for common ground” frame of mind. As far as that depends on you, you can influence this.

What do you and your daughter BOTH believe in? Talk about that 10x more than disagreements, at least for a while.

When the time comes to try to persuade her away from communism, “attack the left from the left.” Show her how communism actually works AGAINST the world she would like to see. Show her how freedom is better for everyone. But this can only happen when she’s receptive. If she’s not, talk about something else.

You’re supporting your daughter when she needs help, not communism. There’s always hope for reconciliation. Human flourishing in a free world will depend on family, which is why the state works hard to destroy it. Show her what this looks like by turning towards her, not away from her.