No, I’m not suggesting that whatever you’re referring to is ‘fake’ but I am suggesting that you don’t really understand the topic or the claim. But as you don’t really care, and are only interested in spam posting articles, thinking that’s knowledge, then we’ll leave it there. Experience has taught me never to talk to ppl who are not interested in listening.
Discussion
I know that Uthman commanded other versions of the Quran to be burned. This would be proof that other modified versions existed. Which, again, was the original discussion and the reason your friend tagged you. Don’t assume you know what I’m thinking. I’m not just dropping articles pretending to be knowledgeable. I take offense to that.
I should clarify that I am interested in why so many are convinced that it’s preserved. But what I meant by “i don’t care” is that it won’t necessarily change my views on religion.
So like I said, if it has no material impact on your world view, then why waste your time (and mine) dropping irrelevant facts that no two ppl differ on? Whatever you or anyone else claims to know about the Quraan came from us. We documented the history in detail. There isn’t anything new you’re going to tell me that we dont already know and learn in our educational institutions, YET…we still say the Quraan is unchanged. That should be sufficient indication that you only see a partial snippet of the image, you don’t know (or understand) the full story.
Anyway, we move on. When, or if, this question means something material to you, and it has real world implications, then we can have a conversation. Otherwise, it’s a pointless conversation and a waste of time for both of us
nostr:npub1h34n29f3wqvcht0jyhnd36jxcdmljyqjv4vdjfrd69nhxhrdvvnsgwr4h0 do you think the relationship between Muslims and Christians is better or worse today than it was back in the seventh century?
Allaah has laid out clearly the path to peace between us and them in the Quraan.
۞ عَسَى ٱللَّهُ أَن یَجۡعَلَ بَیۡنَكُمۡ وَبَیۡنَ ٱلَّذِینَ عَادَیۡتُم مِّنۡهُم مَّوَدَّةࣰۚ وَٱللَّهُ قَدِیرࣱۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورࣱ رَّحِیمࣱ﴿ ٧ ﴾
Perhaps Allah will make friendship between you and those whom you hold as enemies. And Allah has power (over all things), and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
لَّا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ لَمۡ یُقَـٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَلَمۡ یُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوۤا۟ إِلَیۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ یُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِینَ﴿ ٨ ﴾
Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.
إِنَّمَا یَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِینَ قَـٰتَلُوكُمۡ فِی ٱلدِّینِ وَأَخۡرَجُوكُم مِّن دِیَـٰرِكُمۡ وَظَـٰهَرُوا۟ عَلَىٰۤ إِخۡرَاجِكُمۡ أَن تَوَلَّوۡهُمۡۚ وَمَن یَتَوَلَّهُمۡ فَأُو۟لَـٰۤىِٕكَ هُمُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمُونَ﴿ ٩ ﴾
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).
Al-Mumtaḥanah, Ayah 7-9
That’s it. It’s simple. It’s that simple.
I'm Orthodox and I've had great relations with Muslims so far, that's why I'm asking. Do you have a translations for the Arab texts? I can't read them.
The translation is right below each Arabic.
i read a highly regarded side by side qur'an when i was in prison in 2014
hah i just realised i only read it once tho
there's a few interesting and bizarre things in there about the moon splitting in two or something at one point, and a tedious section about taxes
I suspect you’re either a liar or think. There is one verse in the entire Quraan that talks about how to give zakaat to the poor, likewise one single verse about the moon splitting, yet your entire conclusion from reading the entire book is just two verses? lol
But to answer your question, Muslims have always had good relationships with other, as long as others don’t raise to us the sword. Not only that, but we, as Muslims, are ordered to be good and kind to those who aren’t Muslims as long as they don’t fight us, kill us or kick us out of our homes.