From any Whirpool Tx0 you can get the unmixed changes from users and trace them, it doesn't matter if these changes are in the initial Tx0 or not, the blockchain is there. It is a marketing deception and lack of understanding of how a coinjoin works by its users.

It is also a marketing deception to pay fees to the coordinator to avoid a Sybil attack, it is simply more expensive for the common mortals but not for any spy agency. Moreover, in Whirpool's case, the attacker will only have to pay once for each group of trackers introduced into the system indefinitely.

It also adds that some of its users are de-anonymized because they give up their xpub and even their ip if they do not enable tor.

It is also a marketing deception to pay fees to the coordinator to prevent a Sybil attack, it is simply more expensive for the common mortals but not for any spy agency. Moreover, in Whirpool's case, the attacker will only have to pay once for each group of trackers introduced into the system indefinitely.

Add also that part of their users are de-anonymized because they give up their xpub and even their ip if they don't enable tor.

I am very impressed by the lack of compression of their ninja users, obviously the mixed coins are mixed as in the other coinjoin implementations, neither more nor less, with its advantages and disadvantages. For example in joinmarket if you understand and use correctly the Mixdepths you forget the toxic change as this will end up being mixed and therefore at some point will be lost track, just use coins from the last Mixdepths, and when you pay use the collaborative sending, with which the remaining change of your mixed coins will also be difficult to track as it will be along with the change of the other participants, with these two tips you have all the premix and postmix tools you need but without toxic marketing.

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Coinjoin beginner here. This sounds very complicated.

Can you point me / other #nostriches to some easy to follow resource on how to properly use #whirlpool / #coinjoin?

Is it feasible for acceptable level of privacy to just use wasabi wallet mixing?

Just what I was looking for. I love flow charts for processes πŸ˜‰

Another misleading scumbag spews lies and have guts to lie and claim it’s verifiable on the blockchain.

Unmixed change is not part of the coinjoin period.

In fact, it's because of this lack of tx0 that you get deterministic links in mixes. The lack of segregation of unmixed change outputs -rather as part of the mix - adds to this demixing risk. That is why zerolink protocol has tx0 to segregate unmixed change from coinjoin tx.

Tx0 is not linked with postmix derivation path of Samourai wallet. That is why there is a premix derivation after tx0 happens.

You seem to have no idea why tx0 is there for.

There is no way unmixed change can end up in the coinjoin or postmix side of the wallet user must physically send that change directly to postmix derivation path.

In the Sybil attack case you mention which would be costly but then we can assume the attackers would use a special SCODE that gives them a 100% discount but then it would cost them miner fees just to perform this attack which should not be that expensive. If this is likely the case then no CJ implementation is safe since Sybil attacks like this are possible but since Whirlpool coordinator is blinded and the more you mix the higher the probability increases and the more self hosted dojo mixers join to increase your anon set would make the probability a lot harder hence why dojo server was released so to decrease the possibility of SW from hosting everyone's *pub. I have honestly not been able by myself or with the help of others who can navigate inputs/outputs to check on backwards history after even performing one mix so until I can see someone do this I will continue to use whirlpool