its basically just the twitter model. I think its pretty deceptive that they have a relay list when its only for writing to. seems most people think it just works like other clients when its just the twitter model of a central server + api. you can switch out the caching server but noone runs caching servers except them.
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Is this still the case even If we have the enhanced privacy toggle off?
when I read the option it looked like it was just for proxying writes?
I took that to mean reads always use relays, but I did notice how primal seems more filtered
I thought it worked the same as other clients but this is what tipped me off. if you aren't seeing the same content from other apps, then its not using your relay list to read from. it must only be using their caching relay.
this means they can censor people unilaterally. all the benefits of nostr are gone.
I'll run the same account on another client and compare my feeds
I believe they censored me before I bought Primal Legends and I keep wondering if they or others still do. Bugged muting/unfollowing would work even with proper relay support. I'm known for paranoia though
What about all the Legends though... lol
We must be wrong....
Have they commented on this? Seems antithetical to the freedom tech ethos. Usually Odell has always seemed straight up about privacy trade offs of tech alternatives
No he doesn't lol
Still waiting for him to follow up on where you said the other day that you always take responsibility when he gets things wrong... the first example I found was about a privacy trade off
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*where he said the other day
Sorry I copied and pasted without finishing editing
Nice to have receipts. I hope what you claim is not true or there's something else to it.
Even still I believe Odell to be a net benefit to the space by large margin. He is prolific with content creation that is directionally correct.
As for the response to signal, the draw back of logs is easily avoided by turning off notifications.
Could Odell have mentioned that in his note, sure. Should he have to? No, IMO.
I need nostr to support edits, I fucked up my other reply 💯
My guess is the bitcoin investors and influencers that are invested in these apps see it as a way to increase bitcoin adoption, and they don’t particularly care about maximizing nostr decentralization. they see it as an acceptable tradeoff.
Or maybe they just don’t realize it? It is kind of deceptive so maybe they don’t know. I point it out occasionally but i never get a response, so maybe they don’t want it pointed out.
Both plausible.
I sympathize with running a VC fund. There is a 100% certainty some portfolio company is going to go left when you want them to go right. And the fund doesn't benefit, nor is itconstructive, to call out those decisions (mostly).
Would it be more accurate to call such a product as nostr "app" instead of a client?
hmm it does read like that which makes me wonder if I am not seeing events from my other relays except nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg's own
nostr:nprofile1qqs8eseg5zxak2hal8umuaa7laxgxjyll9uhyxp86c522shn9gj8crspzamhxue69uhhxetpwf3kstnwdaejuar0v3shjtc8r404u did you ever find out how their caching server works?
i could not find the current code for their backends, it was all out of date, and when i asked em about it they went dark.
anyone else see the caching service that looks anything like what they might have in production? i decided not to bother with old code.
It must not be a mere aggregator, as that would be the dullest reveal, ever.
What about this?
this looks *much more active than when i checked last (during the 2.0 launch). maybe they did listen! 🎉🗽