I hear you, I do think that success is not the best way to frame it. Is the country we are living in faithful to what the vision of the US founding fathers and those who have died in wars? I think we could agree that answer is certainly not. Just because a lot of good has come from it doesn’t justify broken means to achieve that end. I don’t think the goal was to be the least bad global option or the lesser of evils. I think the point is less to bash or be ungrateful for the US and more to follow in the footsteps of those who formulated the experiment and would not stand for the same old systems that deny individuals liberty and justice. I think statements like nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2lcd0fn and the videos you see posted of these war veterans saying this outcome was not worth the sacrifice are less complaining and more echoing the founders call to reform (or maybe even prune) the broken parts of the system to recapture faithfulness the the experiment in means and ends.