Replying to Roman Leonardo

Yea you’re right. I could have been way more precise. Bit to loose and unclear from my side. Apologies.

My point is more that war isn’t only when people and weapons are fighting other people with weapons. It’s also when one country entices another country to go into debt with them. Or when a bunch of hackers attack energy grids.

It just looked like saying fuck war just isn’t very helpful, even though I definitely hate it as much as the next Bitcoiner.

The thought came from the idea that all life forms strive to expand until they run into some sort of limiting factor. Societies seem to do the same. The limiting factor on one front, for humans/societies, seem to be land used by other societies, thus we always have strife/power projection/war on that plain. And that plain is always limited making war (defensive or offensive) necessary to protect ‘your’ life form.

Perhaps the problem that we currently organize under states that can fiat us into war and fund them. Which exacerbates the problem enormously. And perhaps we can indeed progress to a softwar state where physical war is impossible to fund/ execute on. I definitely hope to see it.

We’re probably on the same page with the idea behind ‘fuck war’, I just wanted to give a tiny poke to do a little better. Just like you seem to do with your comment to me (thank you).

Because whatever way we cut it, we might not be interested in war, but war is interested in us, our families and our friends.

Yeah, and thanks for your considered response 🫂

It’s your final par I most resonate with, as with Lyn’s OP really. It’s all about those families, those friends, those people Lyn talks about wanting next to you when the shit hits the fan.

If it’s my fight, or fighting for this people - sure, all in. But ‘war’ is rarely that, I think ‘war’ is more specifically the forced and usually violent resolution of disputes between nation states or ideological groups, none of whom care about those people we care about.

Maybe I just need to expand what I mean by ‘war’ but it’s so awful, so destructive and so often in very few people’s interests I think we should keep it defined as that fiat bullshit we all want to see ended. Life is hard enough. Fighting for people who don’t care about you, that just has to stop

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🫂 Right back at you!

I totally agree that the wars, in the classical sense of the word, definitely look like what you describe.

I agree with what you say, we should probably define that broader form of 'strife' or 'power projection' as put in the book Softwar by another word and not opfuscate the word war.

Totally agree we'd all be a HELL of a lot better off if it's stopped. As long as it's not stopped through the means of some all-encompassing tyranny or world government.

🤝 🫂