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Jimbo Galtomoto
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Replying to Avatar Michael Wilkins

Over the past few days, I’ve been involved in a long debate about #Bitcoin, #money, and #economic growth. Below summarises the debate outside of the comments we have had back and forth.

What became clear is that most disagreements about Bitcoin are not really about Bitcoin.

They are about which economic framework you start from.

Two schools of thought

Most modern economics taught in universities today is derived from Keynesian and neo-Keynesian models.

In this framework:

• Money is a policy tool.

• Credit expansion is necessary for growth.

• Debt is not a problem if it funds activity.

• Inflation is tolerated, even encouraged, to stimulate spending.

• Economic health is measured primarily through GDP.

Within this model, a fixed supply monetary system looks dangerous.

If money cannot expand, the assumption is that growth will stall, liquidity will dry up, and the system will collapse under its own weight.

This is why many people instinctively conclude that Bitcoin “cannot work” as money.

There is another school of thought, often referred to as classical or Austrian economics, which starts from different assumptions. This is where Bitcoiners sit.

In this framework:

• Money is a measuring tool, not a control mechanism.

•Growth comes from productivity, innovation, and efficient coordination of capital.

• Credit should emerge from real savings, not monetary expansion.

• Inflation distorts price signals and transfers wealth.

• Falling prices due to productivity are a feature, not a failure.

From this perspective, a fixed or hard monetary base is not a limitation.

It is a discipline.

Why universities teach what they teach

Modern states operate on debt-based monetary systems. Governments, banks, and institutions depend on the ability to expand the money supply.

It is therefore not surprising that:

• Economic models that justify managed money dominate academia.

• Models that limit state discretion are treated as historical or impractical.

• Monetary failure is usually framed as “policy error,” not systemic design.

This doesn’t require malice or conspiracy.

Systems tend to teach what sustains them.

Historical evidence is often misread

Empires did not collapse because money was “too hard.”

They collapsed because money was debased.

• Rome did not fall under a fixed monetary system. It progressively reduced silver content in its coinage to fund military and state spending. Trust eroded, prices rose, and economic coordination broke down.

• Weimar Germany did not fail due to hard money, but due to rapid monetary expansion to service war debts.

• Zimbabwe did not collapse because of sanctions alone. Monetary issuance was used to paper over structural collapse, destroying the currency.

• Time and again, monetary expansion is used as a short-term solution that creates long-term instability.

Hard money systems did not “fail.”

They were abandoned when political constraints became inconvenient.

Where Bitcoin fits

Bitcoin does not ban credit.

It bans base-layer monetary manipulation.

Its base layer is slow by design because it prioritises final settlement, not throughput. This is not new. Gold functioned the same way for centuries. Higher layers always emerged on top of sound settlement layers.

Bitcoin separates:

• Money from policy

• Settlement from payments

• Value storage from discretionary issuance

When people argue that Bitcoin must adopt inflation, tail emissions, or permanent issuance to “support growth,” they are assuming growth must come from monetary expansion.

Bitcoin challenges that assumption.

It forces growth to come from:

• Better coordination

• Better incentives

• Better productivity

Why the disagreement persists

If you believe:

• Money must be managed

• Growth requires issuance

• Stability comes from flexibility

Bitcoin looks flawed.

If you believe:

• Money should constrain power

• Growth should reflect reality

• Stability comes from rules

Bitcoin looks inevitable.

This is not a debate about intelligence, credentials, or good intentions.

It is a debate about what money is allowed to do.

Bitcoin did not create this disagreement.

It simply made it impossible to ignore.

Nice note

Replying to Avatar Gigi

It's insane to me that the Epstein files are used as a political football by both parties, as well as the voter base of both parties. "Look! Clinton is in the files!" says the red shirt. "Look! Trump is in the files!" says the blue shirt.

It shouldn't matter. Unspeakable things were done to underage girls (and boys) over a long period of time. Incredibly powerful people were (and are) involved. Politicians are implicated across the aisle, obviously, as are three-letter agencies. Some of the kids are ~5yrs old. Some of the photos show toddlers. What the fuck? "Disgusting" doesn't even begin to describe the situation. How broken is the current landscape if the only lens this is viewed through is the political lens?

One thing is worth remembering, however. It used to be a "conspiracy theory". Only a few months ago, talking heads and politicians would try to convince the public that there's no such thing as the Epstein files. Some high-ranking officials said as much under oath, even. What happened to perjury? Is it just a fancy word in today's day and age? I doubt that anyone will go to jail (except to commit "suicide"). And while perjury is a severe crime by most standards, it pales in comparison to what must have happened on the so-called "Lolita Express" that travelled so often to the "Virgin Islands". Oh, how funny. All these names. It would be comical if it wouldn't be so sad. Diabolical, even.

U.S. politics is a joke. The idea of justice as well as the legal system increasingly feels like a joke too. Innocent people are being jailed. Corrupt politicians and other officials are roaming free, because ... what? They are too powerful? Too influential? The system would destabilize too much if things would come to light?

Justitia holds a balance and a sword for a reason, and she wears a blindfold for a reason too. Today's reincarnation has no sword, no blindfold, and the balance she holds is obviously NOT using honest weights and measures.

What a laughable attempt at "transparency". I would laugh if it wouldn't be so horribly, horribly sad.

Don’t turn away Gigi. We have to bare this. #4thturning

Replying to Avatar Pengsats

This time, I need your help, Bitcoiners.

Plebs, you may have already heard about the floods and landslides that struck Sumatra, Indonesia, on November 26, 2025. The three provinces most affected were West Sumatra, North Sumatra, and Aceh.

Aceh, where I was born, also suffered a major disaster 21 years ago—the earthquake and tsunami. But now, Aceh has once again been struck by tragedy. This time it was not an earthquake or a tsunami, but floods and landslides. Even worse, floodwaters rushing down from the highlands carried millions of logs, smashing into homes along riverbanks and hilly areas.

As a Bitcoiner, I am deeply saddened to see my country like this—people losing their families, their homes and land destroyed, and their belongings swept away by the floods. This ecological disaster has claimed 1,069 lives, and the number will continue to rise, as many bodies are still buried under flood debris and landslides.

What is most heartbreaking is how slow our government has been in handling this disaster. Local governments, including the governor, have been unable to respond quickly due to very limited resources.

You may have also heard that several international media outlets have reported on how absurd and slow the Indonesian government has been in responding to this disaster, showing clear incompetence in managing the crisis.

Since the very first day, victims have demanded that the Indonesian government declare the affected areas a national disaster, so that international aid can enter—just as it did after the Aceh tsunami on December 26, 2004. Thanks to foreign aid, Aceh recovered much faster back then.

However, President Prabowo Subianto (that despicable leader) has selfishly refused to declare a national disaster. A man who was proven to have committed human rights violations during the Suharto regime now claims, in front of national media, that he is capable of handling this disaster. In reality, he has proven completely incapable.

I am furious and filled with hatred—there are no insults harsh enough for him. Recently, credible data has circulated showing that Prabowo owns palm oil companies, with thousands of hectares of plantations in the mountains of Sumatra. Forests have been cleared and replaced with palm oil plantations. This environmental destruction is what led to this tragic disaster.

Until now—25 days after the disaster, as I write this—recovery efforts have been carried out almost entirely by volunteers from various regions, working independently. The government’s role has been minimal, and when present, it is far from proportional to the vast resources they possess. Government aid has been scarce and slow. At this point, the only hope lies with independent volunteers from within and outside the region, though their impact remains limited.

The current situation is still filled with fear and trauma, as people worry that heavy rains may strike again at any moment. Victims want to return home from evacuation shelters, but a major problem remains. Homes near rivers are no longer habitable, buried under thick layers of sediment left by the floods. You can see these conditions in the attached photos.

A few days after this ecological disaster, I had the idea to open a special donation fund for Bitcoiners. However, I was afraid I would not be able to fully account for the funds. After all, I am nobody—just a Bitcoiner from a small region. I know trust is the biggest issue, so at first, I remained silent.

But today, I have no other choice. Seeing the dire situation of the victims, combined with my frustration toward an incompetent government, I have decided to open and accept Bitcoin donations, or even just a few sats, from fellow Bitcoiners here on Nostr. We know that Bitcoin is not only for storing wealth, but also for humanity.

I have discussed this with fellow Bitcoiners here in Aceh. If donations are received, I will convert the sats into rupiah to purchase equipment needed to clean homes buried in mud and to repair houses after the floods, so that victims can return to their homes. Our focus is post-disaster rebuilding.

The needed equipment includes hoes, chainsaws, shovels, tall rubber boots for mud, wheelbarrows, and other tools according to the needs of the affected villages.

I am nobody—just an ordinary Bitcoiner with a small amount of Bitcoin in a hot wallet, living in a country that is constantly struck by disasters. Doubts about trust are understandable, and this message may not even be read by many people. At the very least, this is a small effort I can make to help the victims after the disaster, with support from the beloved Bitcoin community.

If you wish to donate, any amount of sats is welcome. I will be accountable here. If you have suggestions or ideas, I would be happy to receive them. All aid will be distributed directly to the affected areas, with reports made as transparently as possible. Thank you.

Lightning Wallet address:

rotundhood441@walletofsatoshi.com

On-chain:

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Below are several international media reports on the ecological disaster in Sumatra and Aceh. Perhaps these can prove that I am not joking. As a Bitcoiner, I uphold honesty and transparency. Don’t trust, verify.

1. ‘Everything destroyed’ as Indonesia’s Aceh grapples with disease after floods

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/everything-destroyed-indonesias-aceh-grapples-with-disease-after-floods-2025-12-07/

2. Indonesia president expects flood-stricken Sumatra to return to normal in 2-3 months as death toll exceeds 1,000

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/indonesia-president-expects-flood-stricken-sumatra-return-normal-2-3-months-2025-12-15/

3. Flood deaths rise to 174 in Indonesia, surge across Southeast Asia

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/28/flood-deaths-rise-to-174-in-indonesia-surge-across-southeast-asia

4. At least 1,250 people dead: What caused the devastating Asia floods?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/2/at-least-1250-people-dead-what-caused-the-devastating-asia-floods

5. Sumatra floods: Aceh residents raise white flags in desperation as hunger, shortages bite

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/indonesia-aceh-flood-white-flag-national-disaster-prabowo-subianto-5610441

6. Outrage in Indonesia as government blocks foreign disaster aid to Sumatra

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/outrage-in-indonesia-as-government-blocks-foreign-disaster-aid-to-sumatra

Best wishes, keep us updated ❤️

Humbling year, I’ve revised many of my expectations. Also had close family awful news which is equally humbling and a real wake up. But I sold a 993 to buy more bitcoin and I’m really happy with that decision (most of the time 🤣)

Replying to Avatar Noshole

Is it normal I laughed at this more than anything else today? 🤣

Replying to Avatar Ch!llN0w1

Washing the family’s unbelievable output of dirty clothing is now a serious part of my daily routine. I find ironing is a great way to get through bitcoin podcasts with a viable excuse

Fair point! Just hungry I think, I shovelled it in 🤣

House to myself for the evening, celebrating the $98k bottom before the 2026 rip

Sorry to hear about your bro. Totally agree on the positivity here, I wonder if it’s something to do with the amount of friction, or just the small amount of effort needed to come here. Everyone complains about social media, I tell them about this place all the time, but so many people just like to moan and then just go on with life as it is