oh I didn't realize we were agreeing. its free for the recipient, and free for the government, but extremely costly for the individual it was involuntarily coerced out of.

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The part that we disagree (which we missed by a hair) Is that I'm not against taxes. I think they are required for a country to function. I'm (of course) against politicians stealing taxes

I think this program is perfectly acceptable. Using taxes to get people jobs, evenif the ultimate goal is to be able to tax them, still benefits the employer and employee

I'm not against voluntary taxes. I'm against coercive taxes.

give me a checkbox of things I can choose to pay for (and the resulting services I either get or don't get) and I wouldn't have a problem.

If it's voluntary it's not a tax it's a subscription service.

But we don't trust you to act responsibly so we have to coerce you.

Like I don't know where you live but my taxes pay for people's health care.

Given the choice to opt out of it many would, only to find later they're are seriously ill and then go all Breaking Bad.

Similar with defense, agressors target populations wholesale, not individuals. When North Korea attacks the USA, do we go to Kim Jong Whatever and ask him to please only attack nostr:nprofile1qqsza748zkamgmw4he4hm2xhwqpxd5gkwju38wqh3twmtshx8kv8xvgpr9mhxue69uhhqatjv9mxjerp9ehx7um5wghxcctwvsq32amnwvaz7tmhda6zumn0wd68ytnsv9e8g7gprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wdnxcctjv5hxxmmdd79m6g because he didn't subscribe to the defense service?

Exactly! Finally someone rational on nostro

You are the first "Fan of taxes" who didn't reply to me with, "That's retarded, if taxes were optional nobody would pay them!"

I take that as a good thing. Same for you it was a refreshing experience.