Twitter is such a toxic cesspool.
Nostr is the only hope.
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What if nostr becomes toxic, too?
Your could block users that behave like shit, but you can do this in Twitter, too...
Is there anything else we can do to keep nostr asshole free besides using paid relays, report / block functions and hoping for good behaviour encouraged by the urge to earn sats for friendly notes?
I hope the lack of an algorithm and the zap incentive fixes this.
Nostr will become more and more localised over time.
This idea of a âglobal town squareâ is genuinely stupid and destructive to communities and only helps activists who can rally people across jurisdictions to idiotic causes like âjust stop oilâ and âchange the codeâ.
Besides activists reaching smaller audiences in smaller nostr communities, how exactly can nostr communities protect themselves from assholes joining a relay and loading off their shit?
Or do we hope that they rather talk about in front of bigger audiences? Seems not impossible, but I'd be happy to hear a solution with higher chances of keeping nostr civilised...
That will be a function of going more localised. Think of city subreddits as an example, on nostr theyâll form around private (paid) relays and not be gatekept by psychotic leftists but rather by the community itself as theyâll be more economic than purely social.
We shouldnât be trying to reach the entire world with every message but rather be reaching interest groups.
So when I post stuff for #AUStriches thatâs probably not relevant for you, but maybe we have crossover of interests on Bitcoin and some other things so thatâs where we meet.
I basically never check the global feed on nostr, only the follower list.
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It is particularly bad seeing bitcoin folks dumping on wasabi while claiming to be privacy maxis...
I can't tell if its legitimate ignorance/misunderstanding the power and properties of the tech or its something else.
Yeah, it's like seeing mainstream media shit on Bitcoin with only nonsense arguments.
You know they're lying, they know you know they're lying, but they're still lying...
Itâs more because of those things. Also this Interview with the guy from Samourai Wallet is insightful.
https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/opt-out/id1572450110?i=1000548049702
That first link is is misleading FUD, unfortunately.
First of all, it's about Wasabi 1.0, 2.0 fundamentally improved on it.
And the described attack is **a lot worse** against whirlpool users. Look at any tx0 transaction, see in which coinjoin each output gets spend, and voilla, "peeling chain". Even Wasabi 1.0 made this attack a lot more difficult, especially if you're not a whale.
Okay. So you are saying Wasabi 2.0 is not broken anymore. Good to hear. It wasnât FUD though if it was true about 1.0, was it?
Would you say Wasabi 2.0 is better for privacy than Whirlpool? Are they comparable?
I'm saying that even Wasabi 1.0 solved the problem of high value coinjoin users more private, efficient, and usable than whirlpool.
Wasabi 2.0 is even better than 1.0.
Wasabi 2.0 and whirlpool are not even in the same league anymore.
Is there an easy to understand explanation non-too-technical explanation of how the CJs are done? Whirpool is easy to understand. How about Wasabi 2.0?
It depends what exactly you're looking for...
An overview of the different privacy guarantees of Wasabi 2.0:
https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/privacy-guarantees-of-wasabi-wallet-2-0/
The WabiSabi cryptography explained in analogy:
https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WabiSabi/blob/master/explainer.md
Step by step explanation of client side coin selection:
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-April/020202.html
Specifically how different coinjoin implementations solve the "toxic change problem":
https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/twitter-spaces-highlights/
Quick overview of the Wasabi 2.0 feature set:
Thanks. Iâll look into it.
Cool, let me know if you have any questions
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Danke fĂŒr die Links. Ich kann leider nicht verifizieren, ob das, was du mir sagst, stimmt. DafĂŒr habe ich zu wenig Wissen ĂŒber die ganze Thematik. Ich glaube dir einfach mal und gehe davon aus, dass Wasabi CJs gut sind.
Ich hÀtte dann auch tatsÀchlich eine Frage. Wenn ich in Sparrow Wallet Whirlpool nutze, kann ich nach meinem letzten Mix meine UTXOs automatisch und kostenfrei in ein neues Wallet senden. Theoretisch könnte ich zeitgleich dasselbe Wallet in Wasabi benutzen und nach den Whirlpool CJs das Ganze nochmal in Wasabi mixen lassen, oder?
Wenn ja, wĂŒrde das meine PrivatsphĂ€re theoretisch um einiges erhöhen PLUS ich hĂ€tte am Ende keine offensichtlichen CJ UTXOs (0.1, 0.01, etc.), sondern zufĂ€llig aussehende UTXOs.
Ist meine Annahme richtig?
Deine privacy wĂ€re auf jeden Fall erhöht, selbst wenn eins der implementationen kaputt ist, kann niemand deine ursprĂŒngliche Transaktionen finden.
Aber auch Wasabi coinjoins sind auf der blockchain erkennbar, also dein letzter Punkt stimmt nicht, man sieht das du coinjoin genutzt hast.
Okay.
WĂŒrde ich, nachdem alle UTXOs auch in Wasabi âgecoinjoinedâ wurden, wenn ich alle gemeinsam in einer Transaktion in cold storage schicke meine privacy wieder zerstören?
Jein.
All die coins die du in einer Transaktion konsolidiert, gehören dann klar der gleichen Person, aber solange du nicht ein mega Wahl bist, kann trotzdem niemand deine pre-coinjoin Transaktionen finden.
Am besten machst du die Hardware Wallet Addresse direkt in den output des coinjoins. Dann kannst du lange hodln, und niemand weià dass die verschiedenen coins der gleichen Person gehören.
Danke!